Episode #245: Dr. Jordi Kellogg on Making Time to Sail, With Host Ryan Foland

This week we chat with Dr. Jordi Kellogg as he shares stories about making time to sail and keeping it a priority in your life. Jordi is a board-certified neurosurgeon specializing in treating spinal disorders at Kellogg Brain and Spine, and his favorite pastime is sailing.

Tune in as Jordi shares with Good Jibes host Ryan Foland, stories about how he caught the sailing bug at an early age, how time at sea changed his life, his upcoming one-of-a-kind sailing adventure, how to achieve your sailing dreams, and a cameo from ‘Claude’ on seasickness.

Here’s a small sample of what you will hear in this episode:

• A decade with his Lagoon 42 Cetacea
• Working as first mate on Ava Gabor’s 80-foot schooner Laura 
• Why sailing is Jordy’s “why” and the Die With Zero philosophy of living in seasons
• The sailor-surgeon combo: running boats through college, then med school at Georgetown and USC
• The dream boat wishlist 

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Check out the episode and show notes below for much more detail.

Show Notes:

• Dr. Jordi Kellogg on Making Time to Sail, With Host Ryan Foland
  • [0:14] Welcome to Good Jibes with Latitude 38
  • [0:32] Welcome aboard Jordy Kellogg!
  • [4:52] Growing up in Alhambra, a $50,000 house on Naples that changed everything, and buying his own Cal 20 at 15 to sail to Catalina
  • [8:15] Working as first mate on Ava Gabor’s 80-foot schooner Laura 
  • [13:04] The sailor-surgeon combo: running boats through college, then med school at Georgetown and USC
  • [15:56] A decade with his Lagoon 42 Cetacea
  • [22:10] Check out our Classy Classifieds at Latitude38.com
  • Sailing and Business Vision
  • [26:05] Ryan’s Getting Your Ship Together book series — speakership, entrepreneurship, leadership, and the idea of running workshops at sea
  • [30:42] Jordy sailing the ARC across the Atlantic on a Naughty Cat 52 
  • [34:04] Jordy’s business vision: Copa Cetacea Ocean Passage Adventures taking burned-out doctors offshore to reclaim agency and live fuller lives
  • [37:50] Why sailing is Jordy’s “why” and the Die With Zero philosophy of living in seasons
  • [40:16] The dream boat wishlist
  • [44:22] Join our Crew List at Latitude38.com  
  • What’s Next
  • [45:46] Ryan becoming his own diesel mechanic during the pandemic and the beauty of a pure, simple boat
  • [51:04] Jordy’s next adventure sailing with John Kretschmer from Réunion Island around the Cape of Good Hope, riding the Agulhas Current
  • [55:20] Learn more about Dr. Jordi at BlueWaterCruisingClub.com and connect with Ryan at Ryan.online 
  • Check out the May 2026 issue of Latitude 38 Sailing Magazine
  • Make sure to follow Good Jibes with Latitude 38 on your favorite podcast spot and leave us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts
  • Theme Song: Pineapple Dream by SOLXIS

Transcription: 

Please note, transcript not 100% accurate

00:03

And so my why  is so I can get back on the water and sail.  I mean, I love sailing.

00:14

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a very special episode of Good Jibes. Good Jibes is a podcast brought to you by Latitude 38, the in your hand magazine that’s been around for over 40 years on docks and desks. And I always have mine.

00:32

But today, I’m here,  I wish we were sitting in a cockpit somewhere in Big Geiger Cove, but we’re not. We’re here virtually connected to somebody who,  mean, Jordi, I’ve known you forever. You probably know me more than I’ve known you. uh But we’ve got Jordi Kellogg coming on and, dude, let’s pretend like we’re on a ship and just hang out and chit chat, talk about sailing.  Because though you claim to be the most uninteresting man in the world, I think you are fascinating and

01:01

There’s stories that I haven’t heard and maybe we’ll get a couple today. Welcome to the show, Jordi. Yeah, thanks, Ryan. Thanks for having me. I wish we were sitting at Big Geiger right now in Kathleen Island. Yes. Speaking of what, where’s your favorite spot to anchor in Big Geiger Cove? Because there’s a few. Like, what’s your strategy historically? want to know. Well, know, historically at Big Geiger,  I was sailing a catamaran, which I sold recently. And so I kind of anchored outside. But the boats, the platform is stable, so.

01:31

I didn’t really get too much rock in there.  But when you were with Splash and you had a smaller boat, more nimble in there,  what part of the Cove did you like to anchor in? Kind of right  along the beach there, if I can. Yeah, right front center. Hell yeah, absolutely. Well, for those that don’t know about Big Geiger Cove,  it is on the west end of Catalina Island, Santa Catalina Island, and it’s a place where Jordi and I have hung out for long time.

01:57

The home of the Blue Water Cruising Club is Big Geiger Cove. And so that’s where we’re connected here. But Jordi, people are just getting to know you. I know you. So could you go back in the analogs of sailing stories? Maybe ones that stand out where you’re like, wow, that was an interesting moment. Something that kind of changed you or was a sparked inspiration or near death, whatever you want. What’s a sailing story that shaped you? Just you and me having a chat.

02:25

Something I haven’t heard before. I know there’s some good stuff. Well, you know, it’s  accumulation of stories. Okay, yeah. All right. We’ll give just a few. However  you want to dose out the sardines. As one of my, a guy I ran a boat for, this guy, Shelley Raisen, had a Lancer 65 and I was his boat captain.  All right, describe a Lancer, because I don’t know what that is, but I’m sure it’s a super a motor sailor. Okay.  Motor sailor. They’re built in Irvine, California. Okay.

02:55

It had two screws in it. You know, you could dock it like a motorboat, but it actually sailed great. had a 93 foot stick. It was a great sailing boat. And when I was at UC Irvine, my fraternity brother and I were on the porch looking up between the houses at the ocean where we lived. there’s some boats sailing there and Shelley, his company had just gone public. And I was telling him about how I sailed and stuff and worked on Ava Gabor’s boat and all these stories of mine.

03:25

And he says, you know, I’ve always wanted a sailboat. Why don’t put together a portfolio of boats for me and we’ll go buy one. So I did. And we went to a boat show and I wanted him to buy a Swan 65. Because that’s kind of how I see it. Right. But he saw a Lancer at the boat show and he goes, this is me. I go, dude, this is a joke. You know, but I’m telling you, the boat was killer. Do you remember what boat show? Do you remember the boat show? Was it like the? Yeah, I think was Newport Beach. OK, so the Newport Beach. Nice. I was just there for one recently. All right. So you’re.

03:55

in Newport Beach. He’s got his eyes set on this. Keep going. Yeah. And the boat is sweet. mean, huge salon, beautiful master cabin, steam room. You know, we take a steam room. Yeah, dude, it was it was amazing. We take the steam, we pop the hatch, we jump in the ocean after shaving in the steam. It was like we call it the treatment. Wow. uh You know, well, like she used to say, you know,  I do have stories because he’d say, Jordi, you know, you’re the best of getting out of trouble because

04:24

You’re the best at getting into trouble. So, you know, can think of different memories, but, know, it’s. All right. So, so when did you start sailing? Like I’m curious. I want give you some history. Yeah. So we live in Alhambra growing up and, we take my, when I was five, my dad bought a Sabbath. You put it on the BW bug and we drive down to Alameda’s Bay. A Sabbath on a bug. That’s probably fit perfect. And every weekend we’d go down there.

04:52

And then when I was 10, my brother was nine, you know, you have friends and we’re going out into the Alamans Bay to go sailing. And my dad’s like, we’re going to the beach and we’re crying. Oh, we don’t want to go, you know, and he’s wanted to hang out with our friends. And that weekend, you always think of things that change your life. But that weekend, a woman told my dad about a house that was for sale on Naples, right there by the elementary school on St. Louis place, $50,000 is 1971, which was a fortune for us. My dad was a teacher, but

05:21

He bought that house, CalVet Loans, sold his Flying Tiger stock, and that changed the course of our life. Wow. Because we joined the leeway sailing club, raced out of the leeway. We joined Alameda’s Bay Yacht Club, sailed out of Alameda’s Bay Yacht Club. When I was 15, I bought my own Cal 20 and kept it at the marina. No ship. No ship.  And we’d say I’d sail it with John Griffith. Okay. To Catalina, you know, when I was 15 years old. uh

05:51

So I didn’t have a driver’s license. It was great adventures and then you know what Jordi Jordi? What’s crazy the last person I interviewed on the show he I think is 16 and he bought his own little boat is a pandemic thing and he’s like I’m literally like just having this flashback of The person who’s you right now in real time? You should check out that episode because you will just like see yourself in him so hardcore alright, so Cal 21 you’re sailing did you go to catch?

06:20

Did you go to Big Geiger code back then? I mean, where did you go back then? We would go to Big Geiger. You went to Big Geiger even back then? dude, that’s so long ago. I’m 63 years old. No, I’m just imagining you in Big Geiger. to West End. Definitely West End. I don’t know. Big Geiger. I’m sure you were everywhere there. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But I’ll tell you, when we were finishing high school,

06:49

or no midway through high school, we worked at  Catalina Island camps at Howlands, which is right next to the guy. right next to the big guy. And he and I washers there. Well, dude, we wash dishes  and and so we wash dishes. We run we run mountain, you know, around  and uh we call the recess mountain. But anyway,  we wait the recess mountain. Why? This is mountain recess monkeys. I know that’s we were into one time where orange anyway.

07:17

Okay, another story.  But from there,  in fact, my son,  John and I would look at these kids and go, look at all these rich kids that go to this camp because we didn’t really have money like that. And then my son, my youngest son went to camp there six years  and now they have watermelon guys as dishwashers. And he’d tell them,  my dad used to wash dishes here and always bring them gifts.  And on parents’ day, we’d go visit them.  from there, I got offered a job at LA Yacht Club.

07:46

to be the co-steward at Howlands Landing. And so I was in a cabin right by the girls camp, right on the water. And I rode, I drove the whaler. know, that’s the life right there. A whaler and a cabin next to the ladies. Dude, it was awesome. And you remember Dramir, the barns, boat with polio in Howlands Landing. That was right on the west end of the cove that had the That always was there. Yeah, it’s always there. Kind of like your boat in Howlands. Yes. Anyway.

08:15

I did the co-steward thing for a year and then this boat, the Laura, Diplomare Donaldson 80. Uh, then you’ve seen it. looks like a double stacker boat, the Laura and this Scottish captain, uh, David Laws came to me and said, Oh no, actually I did. Then I did a patrol at isthmus for a year and the heart patrol year. And that was awesome. I lived up in the banning house. had to tell me about, tell me about, tell me about the isthmus back then as a heart patrol.

08:45

That had to be a unique time that was like  that was awesome. You know, I  There’s still only one bar and one general store and like what was the setup because I know the setup pretty much has stayed the same But yeah, I mean it’s a little different now the island company owns it um Doug bombard,  you know, that was his game Doug. Odin was the  Yeah,  I worked I worked for Doug Odin when I was a petroleum distribution engineer on

09:13

I gas dock. I was a gas dock guy. Yes. Oh, nice. Doug’s great. So I had a moped. I brought it over on the ferry. I I  had it was the shit, you that could drive anywhere on. It was awesome. And I live up in the the Banning house. You lived in the Banning house? Yeah. Before it became a bed and OK. Yeah. If you’re in Cat Harbor and you look up to the Banning house, you see those little bungalows. Yes. Kind of separate from the Banning house. So I lived in one of those and I could see cat. It was like a billion dollar on the cliff. Just just on the cliff.

09:42

For people who have never seen Cat Harbor,  describe it to them, because it is a unique area. It’s on the windward side of Catalina, the opposite of Isthmus, they call that Two Harbors. I mean, if someone lives in California and hasn’t gone to Catalina, which is a lot of people.  lot of people. A lot of people.  And I actually don’t want to oversell it because I don’t like people going to Catalina. uh Let’s not talk about it. Catalina is the best part of California. It is.

10:11

That and Alameda’s Bay because there’s no parking so it’s never crowded, know? But Catalina is killer. But anyway, when I was doing horror patrol, and you know, there’s so many stories go through my mind that we can’t get enough. I know, know. Just you’re good. You’re doing great. This is hilarious. This boat, the Laura, this David Law, the Scottish captain, came out to me when I was working my shift and said, hey, would you like to be my first mate for a year on the boat? And that was Ava Gabor’s boat. OK. And so I call, I went to the

10:40

phone booth, because there’s cell phones obviously at that time, right? Yeah. I called my dad and I was supposed to start UC Irvine that year. And he goes, you know, Jordan, you only get once in a lifetime opportunities. Oh, that is awesome. So I spent a year on that boat and we went from St. Francis Yacht Club. did the Tinsey Island, Stag Cruise and the Delta all the way to Acapulco. That’s where Acapulco was still travelable, know, all the cartel stuff. And so I spent a year on that boat and

11:07

crazy memories. Zsa Zsa Gabor got married to the Duke of Alba off Porto Vallarta. We had Merv Griffin on the boat. I it was it was insane, dude. And as as the as the as  the first mate, like what you were just in charge, you were you were basically it was David and me. And I was, you know, making beds, cleaning dishes, swabbing the decks, doing whatever. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And that is rad. But it gave me a bunch of sea time. Yes.  Between that and my sailing.

11:36

Uh, had plenty of seat time where I get a captain’s license. And so back to Shelley in Newport beach and commissioning the Lancer 65, he sent me to a captain’s school and I got my coast guard license. And so I ran that boat all through college and we went to Mexico. We’d go to Catalina during the weekends and that changed the course of my life. so I, I guess 65 foot, 95 tall mass and power sail just

12:05

Boss, where did you guys go at the island? Was it like an Avalon kind of thing?  He liked going Long Point. Long Point? Yeah, it’s been Long Point a lot of time. But we’ve been all over, but mostly long. Yeah, yeah, Because he could anchor.  And but we took it, you know, as far south as Acapulco. lot of great memories. I mean, we used to sail down to  Puerto Vallarta to Punta Mita to surf before Punta Mita had anything on it.  have not been to Punta Mita yet, but now it’s online. haven’t been to Punta Vallarta?

12:35

No. Oh, dude, it’s great sailing. But you have the banderas.  It’s awesome. I mean, I love Mexico. I love the sea of Cortez. Love it. Yeah. So anyway, I did that.  Finished school. Zot, Zot. Hey, you know what? Fun fact, I’m actually recording in  the podcast studio at the Entrepreneur Center at UC Irvine. So when we do the second round of this, we’ll do this in person. Bring you back. Bring you back to school. Awesome. Yeah, you know, so

13:04

The whole time, I’ve always wanted since I was 12 years old, I wanted to be a surgeon. Right? And so I’m running boats, I’m down in Cobble. sailor surgeon. Like so like that little combo, that’s amazing. Sailor surgeon. My other captain buddies, you know, we’re all hanging out there after drinking too much tequila night before. And the next day I’d be studying for the MCATS and they say, yeah, you’ll never be a doctor. And I said, yeah, I will. Eventually, I went, you know, Georgetown and USC and went to med school and I’m a doctor, right?

13:32

And now,  you’re salering him. What kind of doctor? What kind of doctor? What kind of what kind of what kind of doctoring do you do? I’m a neurosurgeon. The good stuff you’re working on our brains. Brains and spines. Now, do sailors make good surgeons? ah You know,  know, you know, sailors, you know, or or do surgeons make good sailors? Do surgeons make good sailors?

14:00

Are sailors good surgeons or surgeons? What holds more truth? It’s just I’m making this up on the spot, but it’s an interesting It’s to generalize. You’re right. All right. See, we’re such a doctor. Okay, wait, thank you doctor. Good. Good. So a brain surgeon. So are you actually doing brain surgery? Yeah, I still operate for another three years. Another three years? Sweet. And then, know, so anyway, I went back and

14:29

I have my captain’s a hundred ton license again. You know, and I had the catamaran like you saw me with going to a guy, a big guy here. And so I’ve kept sailing here. I raised Alito 14, you know, on Wednesday nights and uh, and where’s here, Jordi, where, where do you live? live outside of Portland, West Lynn, Oregon, Pacific Northwest. We love the Pacific Northwest. It’s so amazing. It is sweet. It is sweet. And, uh, I mean, can.

14:57

But  you also, but you kept your boat down here, which is unique because. Like, did you. Yeah.  And I wanted to sail to Mexico, you know, so  I uh sailed with my sons, we take my boat down to Mexico. Let’s let’s talk about let’s talk about the boat. I know you just sold it. So I rip. I’m sorry for that. But like this is a sweet boat. You had this for how long did you have it? I bought it when I was and I sold it when I was 60.  Yes, that’s it.

15:27

That’s a good, because I’m looking at how old I am. I’m like in three years, know, okay, let’s get something and then plan to get, was the plan to get rid of it or? No, I mean, here’s something to be proud of anyways.  Oh,  no, no regerts. Yes. I’ll tell you that, you know, there’s a great book I read by Bill Perkins called  Die with Zero. And really the  nut of it, the best part of it is talking about the seasons of life.

15:56

we have certain seasons, we can do certain things. And so the beauty of having that boat during that season of my life was the ages of my children and the adventures and memories we created. oh You know,  innumerable Catalina trips, sailing to Mexico with both my boys, you my daughter and my wife, not really into sailing that much. And so they would meet us  and,  but just the crazy

16:25

Gales we got into sailing down, you know, the Baja Peninsula with my, I can just think of my son hanging on the forest state because the thing was busted. And anyway, good times, good times, squalls and good times. remember going into mag bay. We’re going into mag bay. Uh, we wanted to get there in the morning and we were like 45 knock winds. had bare poles, bare pole. Not only have one mass.

16:53

And we were still going 12 to 14 knots with the swell in the wind. And because we didn’t want to go in at night, we wanted to go in the morning, you know. It was it was insane. So you just are you just steering by field? You’re just trying to like, mean, that basically you’re basically surfing at that point. You are you are. Yeah. And you’re you’re probably I mean, the holes got some surface area. So that and the end your mass and you’re just probably. Yeah, that sounds that sounds exciting. Very exciting.

17:22

But  back to the boat and Marina Del Rey,  our kids, you know, my daughter’s a D1 lacrosse player in Virginia. ah Sebi, my youngest is in college now. He plays lacrosse. so with their sports and then the cost of maintaining a boat down in Marina Del Rey, it just didn’t make sense. So my wife was right, although I still resent her for it, but she brow beat me into selling it. But I’m getting another boat. That’s another story we can talk about. That is good.

17:51

Wow, okay, that’s good.  Yeah, so there’s one on the future.  Okay, so man, a decade with, am I saying it right, Galatea? Cetacea. Cetacea.  Here’s a little story which is totally relevant, but when John and I were at Wilson High School in Long Beach, we learned  the genus species of all the whales and dolphins of the world. So in the binomial nomenclature,

18:21

for whales, know, kingdom file in class, that kind of thing. The suborder of whales and dolphins is Cetacea.  And so John and I, when we were in high school, Wilson, always dreamed of owning a boat named Cetacea. And so when I was buying that boat, I called John, who, you know, lives in Michigan. And I said, I’m buying this boat because he’s actually the one who told me about these lagoons. may I name her Cetacea, is she worthy of it? And he goes, name her Cetacea. Yeah. Nice. Yeah.

18:50

Yeah, so she was a she was at what size was she was 60 right or big big dog or 40? 42 42 felt like a big one Yeah, it was it was a great boat production boat, you know, um Anyway, how fast were you able to sail home because I know the sail over there’s always a hit or miss we’re kind right on the on the nose there, but It’s not they’re not that fast, you know, I mean eight knots Okay, yeah, that’s cool. Like like charging the grand banks basically a little three and a half three four hours kind of thing

19:19

Yeah, it’s not like the high performance, you know, H &H’s or the other casts that are out there. It’s a heavy boat. And it’s luxury. You got it. That thing is that thing is sweet. The beauty of that boat is since it was a 2012, they haven’t been putting the bridge above the cockpit, which then raises the boom. And then you got, I think that looks crappy.

19:44

So I liked, I liked kind of the look of the boat that I had because the boom was low. had a roller for me and boom, that boat was tricked out, you know, watermaker dive compressor, I mean, I love that boat. Nice. Have you done a whole bunch of diving along with your sailing? I have. bet. Yeah. John and I got certified when we were 16 at the Olympic Plaza pool there and then Cavaline, you very long beach. Yeah. I saw him dive the lines and Sebby, my youngest is a master diver. So we’ve dived a lot.

20:14

That is rad. Yeah, I got certified by Harrison Hall in Two Harbors and everybody had to wait for me to turn 13 to do it kind of style. we got, yeah, I mean, I’ve got days and days underwater. Catalina is such an amazing place to dive to. Again, I don’t know if we want to share this because it’s so sweet and there’s relatively few people there, but secretly it’s amazing. Did you ever get into spearfishing or hunting? I’ve spearfished a little bit.

20:42

But I’ve gotten abalone, of course, where we’re supposed to get it, and lobster and that kind of stuff.  Yes. Lobster season was not good to me this year because my lobster diving buddy broke his wrist snowboarding and ruined the whole season. I was ready to go, just partnerless. Where do you go lobster diving? So a couple of places. Well, one, we always go to the island for opening weekend. And then down here at Dana Point, you can go.

21:10

And then also at Thousand Steps in Laguna Beach. So he lives in Laguna. So we mobbed down there and then just like the thousand steps. You’re definitely your calves are our challenge for the next day or two. So it’s good inherent workout with the tank on. But it’s just a beach starts. It’s amazing. It’s super fun. Awesome. Yes. But this year I was just like tank full trying to figure out how to get down there and just resisting the urge to go by myself because it’s obviously safer with a buddy. Does your bride dive with you?

21:41

No, she doesn’t. She’s not a diver. She’ll snorkel and stuff with me. She likes that. yeah. How about your bride? No. Just the boys. Just the boys. OK. We all got certified together as a family and then the boys continued to dive as well. But, you know, it’s all good. There’s excitement for everybody and all kinds of stuff. She loves being on the boat, but sometimes the seasickness gets to her all the time, which is tough. I have to acknowledge that as well.

22:10

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Okay, here’s a question for you, serious question, Jordi. Where in the brain can we fix C, sickness? I’m serious about this.

23:06

I have no idea, Oh, come on. You’re a brain surgeon. Yeah, right. What does that mean? I mean, I mean, it’s all about brain. The brain is the engine. The brain is the 1977 Westerbeek 30 in the head. It was some rusty bolts and kicking around. It’s funny about the seasickness, you know, because I have you could be I got a buddy of mine who played football for the Ducks and a big tough guy, six foot five, and he gets seasick, you know, and it’s just.

23:35

You either do or you don’t. Do you know why people get seasick?  I don’t know what it is.  Do we need know as a world? This is one of the biggest problems that we need to solve right now in this world, Jordi. Because think of how many people could enjoy all of these experiences. Dude, does the world know why we get seasick? I don’t know. could Google it. don’t know. don’t we? Hang on. Let me bring in a special guest here. OK. Hey, Claude, are you there? I’ve been chatting, but with

24:04

with Claude lately too. Chad, are you there? Can you say hi? Hey, Ryan, I’m here. What’s up? So check this out. I’m here with Jordi Kellogg. We’re on the Good Jibes podcast and we’re bringing you in as a third person here. And we were kind of stuck on a question that we need help with. Can I ask you a very difficult question  and you give me the  best answer you can? Absolutely. Yeah. Fire away. What’s the question? Why do people get seasick and what mechanism in the brain causes seasickness and how can a brain surgeon

24:34

cure seasickness through brain surgery. Okay, so seasickness is actually pretty straightforward mechanically. Your inner ear has this fluid filled system that detects motion and balance, right? When you’re on a boat, there’s a mismatch between what your eyes are seeing and what your inner ear is telling your brain about motion. Your brain gets confused by that conflicting signal and boom, nausea and dizziness. Now the brain surgery part.

25:03

is way more niche. There’s actually a real procedure called a

25:09

uh You just, okay well,  Jordi, that was enough for our purpose. That’s kind of crazy, right? But do you have any ear surgeon friends?  Can we just remove? Plenty of them, but you know, again, I mean, I know it’s middle ear, but I don’t know what they could do for that, honestly. So you know how they have these new stabilizers on boats, right? Where like, have you seen those in fishing boats and stuff? Yeah. Why can’t we do some sort of  like ear stabilizer?  Little gyroscopes.

25:38

little gyroscopes in the ears. Yeah, there you go. Run with that. Well, I need a board of directors that has a whole like authoritative medical crew like brain surgeons and ear surgeons. Can you help me out with that? You know, after you finish your leadership books,  then we can Speaking of which, I’m very excited. So for those of you who don’t know, Jordi is poking fun and at my new book series called Getting Your Ship Together and

26:05

I love the fun because it is fun and it’s a stick figure approach to how to represent yourself because Bruce Lee said once, this is one of my favorite quotes, Geordie, Bruce Lee said, as soon as you open your mouth, you show people who you are.  And the way we communicate, the way we show up, that’s the skeleton key to  everything, to all of life’s treasures, including owning a sailboat.

26:33

and hopefully the cure for seasickness. If I can communicate that well enough, I bet you I can figure it out, get enough people on board and get it going. Anyways, my book I’m writing right now is the second in the series called Entrepreneurship.  And I’m pretty much done with the final draft, Jordi. That’s what I’m excited about. I’m having the final final tweaks and it’ll be coming out and my goal is to publish it by August 13th, a year from the first publication of the first book. Do you self-publish?

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Well, I didn’t want to self-publish, so I started a publishing company and I’m publishing under that. It’s called Stick Figure Press. Oh, nice. You know, know Paul Trammell is? Paul Trammell. feel like the way you say it, I should, I He has a pod. His podcast is brilliant. It’s one of my favorites, actually. And what’s the podcast name? I’m looking it up right now. But he has written an offshore sailing and cruising with Paul Trammell.

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Okay. And he lives in his boat.  I think  it’s called the wind flower down in Panama. And this guy’s story is amazing. And he’s a great storyteller. And he’s written a ton of books. And he’s self publishes them and ebooks and I’ve read them and they’re great. Okay. does podcasts every week on Sunday. I look forward to it. And then he has another podcast that he does that’s called Dream Chasers and Eccentrics. Oh my gosh, I have to write.

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Train chasers and… Eccentrics, yeah. And so he even interviewed  your recent interview with,  who was that? Kevin Waspauer. Yeah. He  just recently interviewed and I listened to that as well. Yeah, so… Well, how come you don’t love the Good Jives podcast? It  sounds like you love this other guy a lot. don’t look… I’m just kidding. No, no, man. I got love for everybody.  I know, no, I know. But I  love the fact like…

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What’s amazing about what you just did there is to be able to look forward to somebody’s podcast and that content and that storytelling. Like that’s what it’s all about. That’s why I do this is because I have fun having these conversations and it’s fun to know that others can listen in. So I’m going to check that out. Do you know him? Could you make an intro? Because I’d like to have him on the show. I emailed with him. I don’t know him. So I’ll send you his email. A combined one. Yeah. OK, good. Good.

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That’s awesome. Look at that. But I was thinking about going with  the guy.  Uh, shoot.  Uh, tattoo, Tadio, Tadio, uh, Tatio, he’s like done the golden globe race. He’s got a swan 65 and he’s doing like the ocean passage stuff like Kretschmer does.  And, uh, I was going to do  the Bermuda race with him. uh

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And that’s how, and Paul’s always kind of pushing that as one of the guys because he’s his buddy, right? I think we have a community now. And so that’s how I contacted Paul. But I read his books. Introduce me to that guy too. That sounds like two fascinating people to connect me with. Yeah. And you know, it’s working like I work. I mean, here’s, here’s my problem, Kevin, Ryan. I’m thinking of Kevin Wasmahr.

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Yeah, that was a great episode though. He’s great and he’s sailing to Hawaii. I’m going to jump on his boat one of these days. How cool is that? I was thinking I wanted to do it, but I’m leaving in October to go around Africa. And so this is in August. It’s too soon. Next year. here’s my problem. My problem is Lisa, who you’ve met, is my North Star. I love her. She’s like the nicest human being in the world. You’re looking at my jaw again or whatever. Yeah. And so the problem I have is I would love to do that kind of business after I finish

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working. Yeah. But I don’t want to be away from my family that long. And so the beauty of what these businesses offer are guys like me is a hybrid approach to  get your sailing because  I love sailing. If I wasn’t married to Lisa, I would have quit this job a long time ago and I’d be on the water for sure. But I am blessed to have the family I have. And so like I’m sailing with John Kretschmer, like you kind of mentioned in October.

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And, uh, and that will allow me to have an adventure. And a couple of years ago, I’d sailed across the Atlantic on the arc on a not big cat 52. so that’s, that’s it. Say that again, say that was just say that again, let it sit. What is it? Uh, you know, the Atlantic rally cruisers, the arc, yeah, we have the world arc, but the, tip of the classic arc is from the Canary islands of St. Lucia around October, November. And so a couple of years ago, I did that.

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I was one of the crew and I met these five dudes on the  sail and we had the best time and they’re my bros now, you know? That is so, okay. So real quick with that. do  you have to like train for that? Or you just have a sailing resume for it or like you just, cause I’ve heard different-  it’s pay to play. Okay. There you go. So this is the whole business you were talking about with Kevin, with everybody like creating these opportunities. Schellow, right? You know Andy Schellow. Yeah.  Have you interviewed him? No.

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Yeah, I’ve listened to a bunch of his interviews and I listen to his podcast too. And he seems like a good dude. You know, the beauty of sailors  is there are people, know, the people that are sailors, get it.  here, let me because we were originally kind of we detoured, we tacked talking about Speakership and the Getting Your Ship Together series.  And I’ve got entrepreneurship now. And then the next one is going to be leadership. And then Cynthia and I are going to write co-author relationship. But I’m proud to share that part of my vision is not only books,

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It’s workshops on ships.  They’re going to be the speakership at sea, entrepreneurship at sea, leadership at sea. And I did the first one as a concept. I got the Grand Banks. I got four, four professionals, buddies of mine. We took them out, did a harbor tour, anchored in, uh in Coral Cay and then did some speaker training and then went out to the oil island.  Cynthia made these amazing healthy wraps and we did that. We hung out. Then we got to work like in real.

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communication, speakership workshop, and I do them speakership on land. So as you’re talking about this is getting me excited because  I have access to amazing boats  and I can charter them from a business perspective and put on my workshops on ships and get people to be able to sail and learn and get their ship together. And  I’ve been thinking about this forever. And I did my first beta test and you talking about this. Now I just need to.

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do a workshop in like the Bermuda and then we sail across and then we do another workshop at the other. I can see the excitement. Like you could just, who’s the dude that you interviewed that has that business out of Newport Beach? Oh my gosh. Yo, I, yes. I listened to that one. I listened Gesture. You do. Yeah. That was a fun one. And guess what? I saw him at the international boat show and I got to hang out on the boats that I get to rent from him. And there’s my, there’s my,  yeah. See, I, you know, I want to do the same thing as most.

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We’re not going to go down the rabbit hole of how f’d up medicine is, right? Right. And I’ve been writing a book, which I call Clean to my Shingle. And but it’s so painful to write. But now I’ve put a couple of chapters on a Substack page, you know. But you’re on Substack? Yes. I’m going to follow you on Substack. I’m on Substack too. Let’s go one by one. All right. But I want to do what you’re doing with the entrepreneur leadership thing.

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I want to do it.  I even have a business plan written. It’s called Copa Cetacea Ocean Passage Adventures. And my niche, my market niche would be burned out doctors.  Oh my God. They’re also,  you know why they’re they’re miserable is because they’ve lost. They haven’t sailed enough.  Well that of course,  but they’ve lost the timing agency positions of law. You know, now they’re just a cog in the machine, right? Because they’re all becoming employed. That’s another rabbit hole. So marketing. uh

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Yeah, oh my gosh. And you can find them because they’re all huddled up in the corner of their offices someplace and like miserable. And you’re like, hey, come out. If you OK, here’s a question. Possible partnership. If they are practicing, oh hold on, hold on. If they’re practicing doctors and they’re still like, you know, at work and they still have a few years left,  what about incorporating some sort of leadership or speakership component to it where I be your first mate on the crew?

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And then in between shifts or spots like there’s there’s learning to it, we could probably get accredited for professional development for doctors. And then it’s like a win win you get your continuing education, you get some professional development, you get some saltwater in the face. What do think? Yeah, I I think that  my

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My strategy was really to teach the physicians how to  have better lives, more full lives, to live life fully,  richer life, because so many have had such narrow lives.  I really may be rich technically, but they had they’re not living rich lives. Yeah.  Money is  it’s all about relationships. It’s all about love. It’s all about the steamable  acts.

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self-esteem, looking in the mirror and liking yourself and you like yourself because you’re doing what you think you ought to do, right? And you have control and agency of your life.  Uh, and so many are not, you know, I hate to generalize because it’s not everybody, but many, uh, may benefit with learning a new skill.  Um, I’m into just like you with your, your workout, you were talking to me before we started, you know, into exercise, nutrition, sleep, work life balance, you know,

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cliche as that is. I I a wonderful practice where I don’t, you know, I work 14 days a month and I have a full life, you know, and I have, and I think I got that because I ran boats and sailed. didn’t go to med school until I was 29, 28, 29 years old. So it’s, what happens is people are grinding through the UC Irvine’s of the world. I want to be a doctor. want to be a doctor. There are MCATs to get into med school, the light at the end of the tunnel. Once I become a doctor, life is great. Well, that’s bullshit.

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It’s still a grind, man. You know, so you got to live today. All we have is today. And you can’t be thinking about I’m to be happy tomorrow. And that’s  the book I told you about  the Perkins book,  Die was Zero, The Seasons of Life. It’s so true. And so my why,  using a Simon Sennett quote, right, my why is so I can get back on the water and sail. I mean, I love sailing.  And I love the water. And it’s not like racing. I like just being on the water. I like listening.

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smelling, hearing. I like sleeping on the boat and feeling the boat rock, you know, I mean,  it’s the best man.  And everybody that sails gets that, you know,  it’s not a newsflash. And so that’s my why. That’s why I take care of myself so that I can get through these next three years of doing this job, even though I don’t work that hard.  But  my next chapter, whether it’s Copa, Cetacea Ocean Passage Adventures or- No, wait, next season, because we were talking about season. So the next season, right?

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That’s exactly right. The next season,  although I’m living it today still. And so I’m looking at boats. I joined Portland Yacht Club. Okay. I went to, we’re just babbling, but it’s just fun to talk to you. It is. I went to go look at a Valiant 40 at Edmonds, Washington.  And it’s like, me what a Valiant 40 is. It’s a cutter rig boat, canoe stern, well-built boat. Yeah. want East boat. It’s a, it’s a Bob Perry design.

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sailboat. And I went up there. It’s like a five hour drive. Uh, check the boat out. They were asking to my, I sent it to John Kretschmer, say, I’m looking at this boat and they were asking like 180. Uh, and he told me, goes, I think it’s too much, you know, but the guy tricked it out. This guy was electrical engineer, all new standing rigging everything. So sweet. anyway, Lisa, I don’t really go through social media much, but she found on Tik TOK or whatever this guy, Tucker Thompson, who’s the announcer for ESPN for the America’s Cup was speaking at

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Portland Yacht Club. So I’m driving back to Edmonds. I’m like tired. I don’t really want to go but I said, shit, I’ll go. So I went there by myself, didn’t know anybody. And I’m telling you, dude, I walked in that room and everyone’s fucked up and having a great time. And I go, these are my people.  Right away,  I was with my people, bunch of old sailors, young sailors. And so I joined that club  because I want to have a boat in the Northwest instead of California, even though I love. So like  in August,

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July, August, July 28th, I’m chartering a boat from now and we’re going to go to Catalina for a week. So you still get the goods, but I want a boat that I can go down to the Marina right here in, uh, in Oregon on the slip of Portland yacht club and talk to the guys in the dock. He’s like, show up at my boat in Marie Del Rey. was turnkey. I’d get on the boat and go, I want to dig around in my boat. Right. And so I have a boat and I’m looking at different boats. And so I looked at that value in 40.

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I looked at a Little Harbor 62. went to Moomino Ray and looked at the Little Harbor 62 sweep boat. What is the Little Harbor? It’s another cutter rig. Okay. But it need to weigh too much work. The boat that I’m pining for now, there’s a couple. One is a Naughty Cat 52, the one I sail across the Atlantic. These are the parameters that I want. right. somebody might be listening who has this boat.

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and we’ll contact you afterwards. Just putting that out there into the world. This conversation may lead you to the boat. So tell us what you want. The world will know.  Just kind of like when we went to Alameda’s Bay that day. Yeah. And we changed our course of our life. Maybe this will be the change of course. This could be it. All right. Tell me the boat of your dreams that you want. Here’s parameters I want. want a pilot house because the weather sucks up here three fourths of the year. Yeah. So I want to be in a warm pilot house where I’m not going to get rained on. Yeah. Because I want to sail.

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The San Juan’s, Puget Sound, I want to sail around Vancouver Island, want to go to Destillation Sound, you know, all that stuff. I want an encapsulated keel. What does that mean? That the keel is built into the hull. Oh, so like a… It’s not bolted on. Okay. So I want… Okay, so it’s not the same full keel. Okay. It can be, but it’s part of the hull. Interesting. Okay, cool. So just… I want a skeg-hung rudder.

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I want to skag in front of my rudder to protect the rudder. Got it. Yeah. I’d to have the aft compartment be watertight where the rudder post goes through. So if the rudder gets fractured or something you’re not Or you mean if a killer whale tries to sink you? Is that what you’re trying to say? Exactly. But not necessarily. What if you hit some container or something? Although I could never see a uh genus phylum something of a whale.

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attacking your boat. feel like there’s purity around. I feel like you channel the whale spirit and you shall never be hurt. Thank you. Yes. Okay. Go on. What else? So, it’s a pilot house, encapsulated keel, skeg hung rudder, watertight aft compartment if possible. I  want a boat that’s not too big where I can have a wind bane, because then you got a secondary rudder. I want to cut a rig. I definitely want to cut a rig. And I want a boat that’s built

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Production boasts today. You know, bought  the book, be the captain by James Emerson. You know who he is?  No, I buy that. called tailing Zingara. What is it? Say that again. Tailing Zingaro, Zingaro, Z-I-N-G-A-R-O, I think. And he’s written a great book. Excellent book.  It’s called, I think it’s called Be the Captain.  And, uh, need that. Yes.  Oh yeah. And he,  and he does a YouTube channel too, but

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What I learned, I mean, I knew, but he really put it in great words is today’s boats, they make them old, the hull, they take a grid, they lay the grid in the inside, the frame, the stringers in frame, they methamethacrylate the frame to the hull. And so these Beneteaux  and Bavarias or all these new boats,  the grid is not integral to the hull.  Older boats.

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the grid or the frame is glassed into the hull. It’s a glass frame, know, the stringers and frame. Yeah. And so I want to boat this bill like that because like on my boat, the lagoon 42 that I’d love so much  when  you’re sitting in a cove and it’s rocking, you can hear the creaking and that’s,  you know, the bulkheads aren’t glassed into the hole. And so, yeah, so that’s, that’s what I’m looking for.

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So there’s a there’s a Cabo Rico 42 in Bellingham, Washington. That’s a beautiful boat that it’s only got two state rooms, but it’s built to that quality. I think it’s a 2004. There’s a naughty cat 52. It’s beautiful. That’s in the Netherlands, you know. I’m I’m I’m I’m on Yacht World like porn, you know. Are you ever on classy classifieds?

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You know what I like about that approach? And I’m just going to applaud for that, to put that out there. I recently was considering selling bingo and looking at something newer. And I went through the process mentally and just looking at everything. And I’m like, don’t think I’m ready. And as part of that process, I didn’t sit there and sit and say, these are all the things that I want. I just kind of was like fishing on what I could afford or a budget. And like that type of approach.

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Even if it takes me three years until I’m 50 where maybe that’s what I want.  I was not approaching it that way. And that’s interesting. So there’s certain things we want, but I want to be able to  work towards somebody says, what boat are you looking for? To be able to be like, I want this with this with this with this with this with this with this. And then it makes it about being  the right boat instead of like the boat that’s the right price or these different things. So that was a really interesting  approach. And I aspire.

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to do that. Well, Bingo, that’s what’s a Cal 34. Yeah, 1977 Cal 34. mean, there’s that is well, well built boat. Yes. Very well built boat. However, the 1977 Westerbeak 30 is a little rusty and buckety, which I’ve become the mechanic. I’ve started my own non real business called Ginger Marine, and I guarantee to take it apart, but I do not guarantee to make it start. And there’s been many times where I’ve just like YouTube being calling, figuring out and

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She eventually starts, but I know every inch of that now. You’re talking about the Grand Banks? No, my boat, bingo. Oh, OK. Because of pandemic, I needed it to go get married in Big Iger Cove and the engine was overheating, but no mechanic would come down and work on it. So I had no choice but to figure it out. So like I became a mechanic and now I’ve serviced my own boat. But she’s 40 plus years old. but also like no. There’s an inboard diesel. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. What do you have in there?  She’s a Westerbeek 30, which is really 25 horsepower. OK. Made on the East Coast.  I mean, yeah, she just continues to sort of  have challenges. But I continue to fix her. And it just happens. Have you read Nigel Calder’s book on diesels?  Yes, I have. I have like multiple editions, honestly, like  sitting there spending hours trying to figure out. And it’s so much fun.

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But there’s also, you know, no refrigeration and very minimal electronics. have no,  I just have a handheld GPS as my entire nav table. And I love it because she’s so pure and basic. But again, there’s a list of things that would also be fun to have and get out there. But better than that is when I get to sail on your boat in the San Juans and be first mate to help uh support your new business. And whether there’s a leadership chapter in there or not or acquaintance, I’m here to learn and support your business.

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Just like  I’m sure you’re gonna send all of your doctors who want to live life more fully, become better leaders and start their own businesses. So they need entrepreneurship at sea, leadership at sea, speakership at sea. It’s all gonna work. We’re all gonna get people to get out on the water, get some salt between the wounds and feel better about life. And be smarter.  Life is beautiful.  I uh had this student that I ran into the other morning and it’s…

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you know, the competition time, so it’s all a thing, a lot of stress and everything. And I had mentioned how I already had worked out in the morning and I work out every morning. And she’s like, how do you find the time to do that? And I’m like, well, there’s a certain framework that helped me to fix it. It’s that tomorrow starts today. And if you try to do something today that you didn’t plan for yesterday, it’s hard to do. Like if you’re like, oh, I need to work out, so I should work out today. It’s hard to fit it in today.

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But if you think about it, tomorrow starts today. So you go to bed early, you get up early, you set yourself up for success for going to gym tomorrow. So I looked at it and I was basically like, I heard myself say, so I can do anything that I want to do as long as it’s tomorrow and I plan for it, which makes today so much less stressful and makes yesterday so much more impactful for setting myself up. So life is beautiful. And I’ve been approaching it like not stressing about getting it done today.

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but trying to know what I’m going to get done tomorrow and use today to set myself up for that. Could be large projects, could be personal projects, could be large business uh deals and building. But yeah, life is beautiful. And if you just live in today, it’s tough. You live in today, but plan for tomorrow. Maybe that’s a nice little addition. Yeah. And I think if, like I said earlier, if you do,  if your self-esteem is good, which in the way that happens is you do

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you’re a kind person, right? But you do what you set out to do, right? And so you feel good about yourself at the end of the day.  Uh, then life is good.  know, not enough people feel good about themselves. So that’s a, that’s a really, I know, I know it’s tough. It’s tough to watch, but I think, I think things can be done where, you know, taking control of your life, easy, easier said than done, maybe.

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But getting out on boat and getting out on the water and getting out in nature, think in general can always help. especially when you prioritize it. so many people are looking for outside affirmation. Yeah. Or they’re drinking their feelings or they’re smoking their feelings or they’re trying to like deal with things in an unhealthy way. Well, that’s right. That’s the solution, not the problem. Right. The problem is inside. And the beauty of sailing, you know, it’s

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kind of a philosophical thing. And that’s what I love about Kretschmer’s writing is the philosophy of sailing. But the beauty of it is that you’re not, you know, it’s you against nature and it’s resiliency and kind of the outside noise is gone and, you know, I don’t know. It’s, I certainly love it, but I think the interesting conversation you and I can have in the future as our time winds down here. Yes.

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Uh will be after my adventure. So I am  I am flying in october to an island called reunion Which is a french island in the indian ocean east of madagascar And I am gonna sail with john cretchburn on his vessel kitzal that he speaks up like a another wife His wife podge of course, but uh the boat he’s sailed on for so many years and all the stories that we read about uh, kopfman 47 and i’m gonna get on that boat with him and

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I think three other people, and we’re going to sail southwest to around what’s killer about the sail is the current. This is current called the Aguja’s current, which means needle Aguja that runs counterclockwise in the Indian Ocean. So running from north to south along the Eastern African coast against the countervailing Antarctica winds. And so you can get some crazy ass seas there.

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Here’s a little  factoid when I was studying this is the Alguha’s current has twice the flow of the Gulf Stream. And we all hear about the Gulf Stream, right? Yeah. They measure the flow in gallons per second or whatever in the unit called Svendrups,  S-V-E-N-D-R-U-P, twice the Svendrups of the Gulf Stream. So with that, the Antarctica winds is supposed to be an amazing trip and  we’ll sail around the Cape of Good Hope to Cape Town.

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And so that’s what I’m doing in October and just spending time with, with John and the people who have on the boat. You know, what’s what you should consider. He has this thing and it’s kind of a plug for him, but it doesn’t need a plug, but he’s got this thing called captain’s hour. Okay.  Every month we meet on like a platform zoom platform. Yep.  And John will talk about a topic and then all these guys that are sailing, like there was one guy that’s like down in  Polynesia somewhere.

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Another guy that’s sailing this trip to Cape with Good Hope or around Cape Horn, all on Zoom, like two hours, this Captain’s Hour. And it’s well attended. I would love to join. I would love to join and just hang out. You should Google Captain’s Hour and check it out. Okay. It’s wonderful. And I think the Captain’s Hour thing comes is because when he does these passes, ocean travel adventures, whatever he calls them, at five o’clock,

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on these trips, everyone will have one cocktail. I haven’t done a trip with them, I’ve done Celestial with them, but this was my first sailing trip with them, so I’m looking forward to it. And that should be quite a story. Yeah, well, let’s have you on after and maybe let’s bring you down and we’ll do it whenever you’re in town next year. Maybe I’ll say excuse to do it when I see you on Catalina in your chartered boat after the fact or whatever.

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Yeah, we’re actually chartering, we were going to charter a trimaran.  But anyway, we’re chartering a Lagoon 42 out  of Niles from Marina Del Rey. We’ll be there. We’ll probably go to Avalon, at least let’s go to Avalon. But we will go to the West End because we’re picking up my buddy’s daughter who was her last year at Catalina Camps.  Oh my gosh, well definitely text me. August 3rd. August 3rd. All right, and my birthday is August 13th, so I’m usually out there quite a bit. Is it?

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Yeah. Your brother is a strong Leo, my friend. Yeah, I’m an August 18th. OK, we’re all strong Leos. Look at us.  Well, I feel like this has been a uh Leo to Leo conversation and it’s been fun to have everybody listen in, but I feel like it was just you and me, man. It was inspiring. I love that you’re going to continue to fix brains for three years and then continue to fix the brains of people who are fixing brains from then on in the next season.

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And definitely let me know if you need a second opinion on any of these boats. It’d be a very uneducated guess. I would just give you my instinct on it. And you always have a crew when you need somebody. Just let me know. And the world turns each day to time as long as you plan for tomorrow and enjoy the trip. Enjoy the sail. Enjoy the wind. Enjoy the squalls and also enjoy the peace, calm, quiet and all of that. Right on, brother. That was fun. That was totally fun. All right. Well, hey, if this is your first

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episode that you’ve listened to of Good Jibes because somehow you found us. Well, don’t make this your last. Make sure to tune into other episodes. Lots of great stories, lots of great conversations about racing, sailing and everything in between. Jordi, do you want to give some sort of information on how people can find you? They might have your boat, they might be interested. Do you want to send them to or do you just want to be a mystery? It’s up to you. Yeah, I’m not.  This is fun. I don’t have any idea why anybody would want to listen to it.

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but  I did enjoy babbling and talking to you and I don’t really do social media stuff. I did the sub stack thing, you know, which. There you go, no, sub stack, plug sub stack. So if you want to get in touch with,  so how do find yourself? You know, it’s geeky medicine stuff, know, but. Oh, okay. Anyway. Well, hey, if anybody, if anybody is listening and wants an intro to Jordi, you can reach out to me and I’ll be happy to vet them to make sure that they’re  not weirdos and then I’ll forward them.

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to you, Jordi. But I just, some people might resonate with a lot of things said and they might want to reach out or connect or  they might be a doctor who wants to be on the waiting list for this next thing. So we’ll keep this alive and open. And if you want to get in touch with me to get in touch with Jordi, you can email me at Ryan  at Ryan dot online. Or if it’s easier to remember, Ryan at latitude 38 dot com. I’ll get you anywhere. And if you want to learn more about me, that’s my website, Ryan dot online.

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You can learn about the Getting Your Ship Together series. And if you want to go buy Speakership, go to Amazon. Search Speakership and entrepreneurship will be coming out on my birthday and Jordi’s brother’s birthday. That’ll be great. All right. And follow Latitude 38 on all their social media and support and grab the magazine and be a… You don’t have to subscribe because it’s free. Jordi, do you grab Latitude 38? Do you love Latitude 38? I do. I read all the time. All the time. Yeah.

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And I pine to be down sailing in San Francisco Bay. You know, or like with Kevin’s interview you did with him, Shearwater, whatever. Yeah, Monterey Bay sounds awesome, man. Oh, it does. And you can hop on his boat now and go, which is sweet. I’m going to do that one time. I know. I know. We should coordinate. I’m moving vicariously through many people. We should coordinate. Let me know if you’re anywhere near Monterey and we’ll connect with Kevin and then we’ll go out sailing and then we’ll sail and we’ll do a podcast out of it as well. A boatcast. All right, Jordi.

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Seriously, so much fun. I’m so inspired. There’s so many great things going on. Life is beautiful and the seas will always be challenging. But that’s it. The ocean can be a potion. You don’t always need brain surgery. You just need a little salt, a little salt water or fresh water if you like lakes, whatever. Anyways, everybody, we’ll talk to you later. Thanks, Jordi. It was a pleasure. Have a great day.