Episode #198: 2025 Scuba Show, Long Beach, CA — Part 2
Join us this week for Part 2 of our deep dive into the 2025 Scuba Show in Long Beach, CA. Tune in as Good Jibes host Ryan Foland tries on some new sailing shoes, shares dirty pirate jokes, discovers what makes Fiji one of the best places in the world to dive, shares tips on how to get your PADI certification, and learns about a shocking encounter with Sally the Shark.
Here’s a small sample of what you’ll hear in this episode:
- Interview with Ryan from The One Shoe
- Learning about speciality diving courses
- Why does everyone know Seamus?
- Underwater paintings with Holman
- Avelo Dive, redefining buoyancy
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Show Notes
- Part 2: Scuba Show with Host Ryan Foland & Friends
- [0:17] Welcome to Good Jibes with Latitude 38
- [1:03] Interview with Ryan from One Shoe
- [4:54] Blue Water Cruising Club (BWCC)
- [5:43] Ryan bought the shoes! And is looking into a sharkskin
- [9:52] Learning about the Fiji tour with Terry from Paradise in Fiji
- [15:30] Get your own copy of Latitude 38 at Latitude38.com
- Scuba Diving
- [16:07] Talking about PADI certification with Adara
- [27:51] Ryan’s Dive Master plan
- [30:29] Why does everyone know Seamus?
- [40:49] About Seamus’ boat and his sail plan for the summer
- [43:50] Learning about compressors
- [49:05] Are you thinking of sailing to Mexico or across the Pacific? Latitude 38 has a resource page called “Heading South” & the “First Timer’s Guide” to help you prepare
- Painting & Sharks
- [50:02] Stephen Holman is a painter and a diver, underwater paintings
- [56:15] Avelo Dive, redefining buoyancy
- [1:05:05] Closing the show in a shark tank!
- Make sure to follow Good Jibes with Latitude 38 on your favorite podcast spot and leave us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts
- Check out the June 2025 issue of Latitude 38 Sailing Magazine
- Theme Song: “Pineapple Dream” by Solxis.
Transcript:
Please note: this transcript is not 100% accurate.
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I would say at least 15 feet, possibly A fatter than he was fat. It was a big shark.
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I’m cruising along and I see Ryan and my name is Ryan so obviously there’s a connection here. Bring the mic up close. definitely have to talk at that point. Yeah, I mean it’s connection. Now you know what Ryan means, correct? No. It means little king, bro. Oh. Yeah, we’re not the big king but we’re the little king. Well, always little. Yes. Well, it’s okay. You you gotta be little before you be big. Right. We’re not always little. No ego. No. Alright, so I’m cruising along and I literally was cruising and I saw what looked like Chucks and that did draw me to the booth. So tell me about these things and Chucks are classic like your
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your shoes for people who don’t know. And by the way, you’re talking to a bunch of sailors. I’m a sailor. Okay. You’re talking to good jibes. We got all kinds of sailors from the West Coast and we travel all around the world. But tell me about these shoes. All right. So it’s one shoe is the name of the shoe. They’re designed by Poseidon. They are designed to replicate the Chuck Taylor style. They’ve even got the little emblem along the side here. Yes, the Chuck Taylor. They do look very similar. Now.
01:10
strikingly close like is it a knockoff kind of close are they allowed to do that or they’re definitely allowed to okay definitely allowed to it’s a partnership they made oh it is yes okay so it’s not a total like knockoff trying to be part of that but it is okay no they got permission before they did awesome well i love chucks so you have like they’re just water accessible is that the only trick they call them the one shoe the reason they call them the one shoe is they’re designed to be worn in the water as well as out of the water around town so
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They’re riveted on the sides to allow water to drain out of the shoe. It allows for quicker Just those two? It seems like you’d still get a little in there, don’t you think? You’d get a little bit, but not enough to where it’s going to ruin your day. They are a three millimeter neoprene shoe. They’re designed to fit in the foot pocket of dive fins as well. Oh, so it doubles as a bootie. doubles as a dive boot. Now, I’m looking for sailing shoes, sailing dinghy shoes. I’ve got a little laser, a little 14 foot.
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performance sailing boat and I was looking at all the different, this seems kind of cool for a sailing shoe. I can’t speak to capacity for sailing as I’m not a sailor myself so I can tell you wearing them around on the boat they do they do very well as far as traction and grip goes but I’m not I’m not gonna say they’re fantastic for sailing because I can’t speak to that. okay no I like it I’m gonna say these could be fantastic what do you think about these sir? I’m not sure.
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That was my thought as well. just asked randomly a gentleman who’s also looking. But it looks like a Chuck Taylor shoe. Do you have them in low top? No. They’re only made in the high tops. How much they cost? $129.95. This weekend for the show over at the Salton Sea Scuba booth, we’re doing 15 % off as well. I think this is a cool sailing shoe. One of the big things you got to make sure is that it doesn’t leave marks on the boat and you’re covered there. Right. You got a size nine? I believe I do.
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Okay. color you want to try on? I would be probably on the black. Yeah, let’s see. I mean, these might be my new sailing shoes. Oh, you do? Can can you, can you come, we’re doing a podcast recording and we were not sure, but now you said you have them. Would you like to say hi and tell us about the shoes? Yes, I do have them. They are very nice, comfortable shoes. Do they actually exit of all the water? Cause I see little grommets on the side, but I feel like it’s still going to leave some water in there. No, they don’t leave water. As soon as you get out.
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the water comes out. Some of you do have that you do get the water shoes. They do stay inside and they stay really full, but no, as soon as you’re out, the water’s coming out. Yeah, I can even see you using these as just like booties for lobster diving or something that’s just kind of like 100%. We have instructors in our shop, dive them in 85 degree water, dive them in the winter when we’re doing lessons out there down in 51 degree, 49 degree water as well. Wow. Okay. comfortable.
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All right, well, do you have any influencer deals where I wear them around and then I share how it goes and then we get connected and they become the most popular sailing shoes in town? How about this, you do that, I’ll give you the 15 % off and I’ll give you a crisp high five on top of it. look at that. So the setup is just so sweet. Ryan, little king making big deals here. All right, well, I’ll think about it. I appreciate your time though and I feel like I want to spend my money on this. have to now just like noodle on it.
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Alright, thanks buddy. And how do we find you in your shop if they want to? Located in Arizona. Okay. I can reach over here. Yep, got it. Here’s a card for you. Awesome. So that’s the card for Tom. He’s the owner of the shop. Hi Tom. Call in, shoot us an email, get in contact with us that way as well. Alright, thank you Ryan. Keep up the good work here. Thank you.
04:52
thought that here at the dive show I’d run into one and only Mr. Ralph Bolehm from Blue Water Cruising Club. are you, sir? I’m good. How are you? Now tell us about Blue Water Cruising Club for those who don’t know. Is it the best club ever? Oh, it’s the best club ever. Awesome. Family oriented. Love to have kids over there. And you, oldest cruising clubs in Southern California. sir, you are legend. You’ve you built the famous barbecue. I did lot of the wood chipper was out this last weekend. It’s still working.
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That’s good to hear. Yes. Well, I know you guys are on your way to your seminar, but we just want to take time to say hi to some fellow Blue Water Cruising Club members. And if you’re a sailor and you don’t know about Blue Water Cruising Club and you’re in the Los Angeles area, what should they do, Ralph? Go to the website. What’s the website? Bluewatercruisingclub.com. Yes. All right. You guys have fun today. All right. You too. All right. Bye.
05:45
bought the damn shoes. OK. What do you think about that? Now, I was told I was going to give a discount of 15 percent and a high five, but he said shark skin. So tell us about the shark skin. Ryan’s back. Yeah. Hey, I’m back. I got I got brought back on here. Tell me about it. That’s same issue I have. They definitely try. All right. So with shark skin. So you’re looking for the sailing features, right? So I’m talking to sailors. But this is a wetsuit and it’s a shark skin wetsuit. I’ve never heard of it before. So is it real shark skin?
06:14
No, no, it’s not. So what it is, is it is a layer of materials designed to be neutrally buoyant. So it is a neutrally buoyant wetsuit. So it just soaks it up instead of pushes the water out? Pretty Doesn’t displace anything? Doesn’t displace anything. Designed to be as warm as a five millimeter wetsuit. The other draw to it is it also has windbreaker material and features to it. So you wear it on the boat after your dive. You know, typically you wear that wetsuit. Yep.
06:42
On the boat afterwards that wind chill hits, you start getting cold. You don’t feel that with these. Interesting. So for you sailors out there, you get the rain coming in. It’s going to keep you a little bit warmer. You can wear it under your rain jacket as well. They are designed to be layered. They are designed to be layered? They are designed to be layered. So you can layer it on top of a 3 mil, underneath a 7 It’s very fuzzy on the inside. Is that going to go away after usage? becomes like… No. OK. Nope. It’s like felt almost.
07:11
It is. is. The other draw to them is they do work as undergarments for dry suits as well. We have quite a few instructors at our shop that wear them under their dry suits instead of all those bulky. So this top 300 bucks for this top. Yeah. OK. What’s for the full suit? Full suit is 699. 699. Are you out of your mind? You also get a high five with that? I’ll give you two. OK.
07:38
$6.99. looks like a normal wetsuit. What’s this big old pocket on the side? Is that for your cell phone? That’s your tech pocket. Your tech pocket. Any extra materials you need to throw in there come standard on the T2 Multisport suit. It’s a big ass pocket. It is a big pocket. It’s a very roomy pocket. The other draw to this is it is a step-in wetsuit. So there’s no zipper down the back. Yeah, that’s fine. Mine is right now. It’s a pullover, no zip. Pullover, zipper. Much easier to get on and Does come without the pocket? That pocket looks like…
08:08
You can get them without the pocket, but you won’t get our show discount if you get it without the pocket. just don’t have any here. So our show discount for shark sailing is going to be 15%. as well. Free dollars for audio wave influencers who are connecting with more sailors. I don’t get permission to give that level of discount. I’ll talk to Jeff. We’ve got to build a relationship first. I’m going buy the shoes and then we’ll work out from there. you guys are too far from our West Coast sailing that people don’t know about.
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Yeah, absolutely. Okay. I mean that’s bigger excuse to come out to Arizona and visit us, too Yeah, you guys got sailing out there. We got a lake. Okay, okay? Okay? I got some new shoes all wear out there. Thank you Ryan. appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. Thank you Jeff Tom Tom. Thank you Tom All right, we’ll see ya When your head gets cold you get the head cover to put on there and gloves to go in it so that they have grip for your Your sheets in your line Dan just rolled in here like a true shark you smelling blood
09:07
So now now Dan, do you know what a pirate’s favorite letter is? Arrrr
09:37
Thanks for all your hard work here at the show. Absolutely. All right, peace out.
09:42
Well, I’m Ryan. This is Good Jives. We’re just recording for a podcast. cater to West Coast sailors. So before I talk to the boss, maybe you can share with me what is going on in this booth. I feel like you’ve been here before. For context, I was talking to some mermaids and I said, who should I talk to? Where should I go? And they said, find somebody who dives in Fiji and then go. Would you like to say hi to our listeners and tell us about your Fiji experience? Sure. Well, hello.
10:09
We were in Fiji in September and October and we stayed for a week at Paradise in Fiji and it was absolutely paradise. was paradise. How about you sir? It really was. mean the rooms are amazing. The grounds are more amazing than that. And we just came over to say hi to Terry. She became a friend while we were there. She’s the owner. Oh it’s just amazing. There’s a lot of sailboats that were there while we were there and they were all enjoying it so much. And how was the diving? What did you see? was amazing. Was it warm and
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There’s a lot of colorful, lots of soft coral, lots of things to see. Sharks. Okay. Lots of sharks. Yeah. All Well, it looks like the boss is freeing up now. I’m going to talk to her. But thank you for saying hi. right. You are the popular person to talk to here. You want to say hi and introduce yourself? Bula. Bula. Hi, everybody. My name is Terry. What did you start with? Bula? Bula. That’s a hello in Fiji. I say ahoy wherever I go. So Bula. Bula.
11:07
All right. Tell us. It’s also it also means. Gesundheit. And also cheers. OK. Whenever you. When in Fiji. Chin chin. Cheers. And what is it one more time? Bula. Bula. How am I going to remember that? A Bula something like a Bula goodness. Yeah. Yeah. A bowl of Fiji. A bowl of Fiji water. Yes. A bowl of Bula. Yes. now that we know how to say Bula.
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How did this all start for you? My family? Sorry, this is my resort. I own and operate Paradise Tavaruni. So we were working in Fiji for another company. It happened across this run down little backpackers on the end of the island. And it was a bit of a fixer upper. And so we decided that we could do that. And that was in 2006. And we bought the resort, slowly, slowly renovated. And it’s now one of the top dive resorts in Fiji.
12:06
Awesome. Now I’m here on behalf of all of our West Coast sailors. I’m assuming you get some sailboats out that way. We call them cruisers. They’re our cruising guests. We actually have eight moorings in front of the resort. They’re all free to bring people in so that they can rest because Taviyuni is kind of on the way to the Laogruf, which is another beautiful part of the islands of Fiji. So a lot of people will come from Sabu Sabu, do a quick stop in paradise and have a cocktail or…
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something to eat and then head off to the Laoghurt which is quite remote. So yeah, we’re very welcoming to sailing guests as we call them. We can do your laundry for you, we can take you on a tour, we can order a taxi for you, come in and enjoy lunch and dinner. There’s no charges to come and enjoy your time with us. And what makes this particular spot from an underwater perspective so amazing? I have not dove in in Fiji. I’m looking at these photos. It looks amazing, but how would you describe it to somebody who hasn’t been there?
13:04
I always tell everybody exactly what we offer is soft corals. Paradise is right in the heart of the soft coral capital of the world. basically soft corals 20 minutes away from the resort is a 20 mile reef system called the Rainbow Reef and that has over 40 different dive sites on it. One of them being, it’s called the Great White Wall and it’s noted as one of the top 10 dive sites in the world.
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So pretty spectacular diving, just riding outdoors. Great white wall, like is it great white or just great white wall? It’s just a white soft fluffy corals, like a massive huge big wall. You go through this really cool swim through and then you come up not even halfway down the wall, I’d say about a third and this is amazing soft coral formation on the wall. You have to hit it at a slack blow tide so we don’t get to see it every single.
13:57
So you kind of have to book on those special Great White Wall dates. And when you said there’s 40 dive sites, I’m curious, like are you allowed to, I’m used to diving here in Catalina or local, like I’m gonna dive there, that’s my spot. Is it regulated to where you can only dive in certain areas and how does that work? Like if I were to roll up, just find a place to dive in, am I allowed to do that or is it?
14:21
Yeah, well it’s pretty, as a cruiser, yeah you can pretty much go wherever you want to and dive wherever you want to if you have all the gear and everything on your boat and ready to go. Yeah, it’s amazing. I there’s a lot of local knowledge that’s important. So what we kind of encourage is we give our cruisers a 20 % discount when they come diving with us. So then they can work out where they can go diving, where the best dive sites are, where Rainbow Reef is, because it’s quite a…
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quite a crazy uncharted territory, you might say, in that area still. So not a lot of infrastructure. the local knowledge is very handy. Well, awesome. Well, I’m excited. You’re on the radar now. And if people want to find out about this I’m seeing here, they go to paradiseinfiji.com. That’s the one. Yeah, paradiseinfiji.com. Well, congrats. This looks awesome. Maybe we’ll see you out there sometime. Thank you so much. All right, thank you.
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big patty spinner wheel, there’s no sound effects.
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sunglasses sunglasses yeah that’s the lucky draw right there lucky draw I’m gonna put on my sunglasses as I introduce myself I’m Ryan and I stopped by the patty booth and at a DRA a Dara a Dara I really messed that one up but didn’t I uh that’s okay it happens well a Dara what does your name mean it means beauty that is awesome yeah do know what Ryan means I don’t little king
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That’s cool. Yeah, it’s better to be a little king than a big king, because the big kings are the ones that…
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They get get arrogant. Yeah. I can be humble and help everybody else shine, which is what we’re doing here today. Awesome. We’re talking about scuba diving and sailing. Not all sailors are scuba divers. Many are, but a lot of scuba divers aren’t sailors. That’s true. Yeah. So I know Patty’s huge. I am a Patty certified when I was 13 years old. And so I have this allegiance to you. for people, I guess everybody knows about Patty, right?
17:06
A lot of people know about Patty. Yeah. More people probably… If you’re into water sports, I think there’s probably a good chance you’ve heard of Patty.
17:15
I don’t know if I know what PATI stands for. I might see it on something. It is the Professional Association of Diving Instructors. I knew it. I totally knew it. So for those, and this is actually an honest question, it was like PATI and NAOI, right? Wasn’t that it? There are over 200 organizations. Oh my god. When I started, it was two. Back in the 80s, I think NAOI was pretty popular. And PATI’s just sort of invested a lot into marketing. And we’ve kind of become the…
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So, if I get certified with another one, how does that even work? there’s a national certification standards and then everybody just creates curriculum for it and then it’s okay and then it’s like the perks that are added to it, like…
17:58
Yeah, so everybody kind of follows the International Standards Organization, the ISO. And really, they’re just different, there’s different agencies, organizations that we teach people how to scuba dive. So really, Patty’s one out of many. Yeah, because I met somebody like, oh, dive with sharks. I’m like, well, what if you don’t dive? They’re like, oh, we’ll teach you. So it’s all variations.
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Why PADI? I mean, you guys are a juggernaut, you’ve invested. If a sailor is looking to get certified, what’s the difference of coming with you guys? Or why should they go knock on your door? Well, we’re the widest recognized organization worldwide. that’s one. We have great instructors. have, well, yeah, no, we’re not going anywhere. And we just have great instructors, great dive centers all over the world. Do you guys do any type of weather collaborations or attention for sailors or sailing? Is there any type of mix there that you guys?
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have done? I’m not sure. I’m sure we’ve partnered with, you know, organizations. We have a lot of dive centers. For example, I used to work for Broad Reach. Okay. It’s a sailing and scuba diving camp for teens. It’s all kind of mixed in the same water there together. Yeah, so…
19:04
But it’s interesting. I’m always fascinated in how different companies are approaching different markets and sub markets and the sailors are strong crew. But I’m just curious of, know, who’s doing what to get in front of them and how that all works out. To be honest, I don’t know that much about it. I do know a lot of people who water people, right, who work on the water, love the water. A lot of them do both. Right. And a lot of them are able to create careers out of doing both. I have a lot of friends that work on, you know, mega yachts now or they work on sailboats and
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private charters and teach people how to scuba dive all at the same time. And so that’s a big part of the business too, not only getting certified, but helping people to certify. that, is it like an, are you dealing directly with training folks? Is it like that type of a? Well, so Patty is a membership organization. All of our instructors and dive centers are our members, right? Oh, so you’re not necessarily the trainers, you just the membership org.
19:59
Well, we also create the instructors. So we create the material that the instructors use to teach people how to dive. So we, yeah. And then of course the instructors go out into the world and certify as many people as they can.
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What do you think about all the new technology that comes around this space? Is there anything that’s super cool that you’re seeing? It’s always interesting to see the newest. I’m like, there’s from scooters to this to that. But you’re dealing with just like the core. How is the peripheral, all the technology and everything? It’s come a very long way in the last couple of decades, which is pretty impressive. A Velo is sort of up and coming right now. What is a Velo? seen those, you would be better off talking to them. But it is like a…
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It is an opportunity for people to scuba without like a buoyancy compensation device. it’s without a weight belt. Yeah, I believe it’s without a weight belt. I am not the I’ve never tried it. No, it’s OK. But it is new technology that’s pretty impressive and exciting for people. Yeah, like you said, scooters are super fun. getting smaller and faster. There’s some great computers that are coming out that are super impressive, too. So yeah, I also heard that there’s.
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AI integration within regulators and different things. I met somebody not here, but at CES and I think it was scuba pro and they’re diving deep into all the AI around that. I haven’t seen much of that today. I don’t know if you were. No, no, but that would be pretty cool. OK, all right. Well, the glasses are not good for inside and my wife might love that mermaid pen. Can I swap you the glasses for the mermaid pen? about that? Oh, wow.
21:34
Okay, well thank you so much. You got it. And for those who are not what who’s your customer not certified like it’s a good question like so what type of what type of sailor are you interested in getting in front of and what would they come to you for like if you’re already certified or if you’re not certified or if you’re interested like I think both really.
21:59
you know some people who are already certified and they want to continue on in their diving education and you know there’s always opportunities to do more. keep forgetting that there’s all the different levels. Yeah I mean. I can’t say keep forgetting because I just didn’t think of that because like I’m Patty I feel like I have the allegiance so I’m like always Patty.
22:17
But I want to eventually do rescue diver and all these things. Yeah. So we do advanced, we do rescue, dive masters. There’s specialty courses that you, if you, you want to go deep. If you want to focus on fish identification, if you, you know, I mean, we have even some of our, membership creates what we call distinctive specialties. So they write their own courses. Like underwater basket weaving.
22:42
Exactly. They have underwater pumpkin carving. have a… talked to a painter who is painting underwater scenes and I asked if he’s ever painted underwater and he said no. We could come up with a specialty class for underwater painting. is a zombie apocalypse specialty. It’s very popular. it. it. Yes. Zombies don’t live underwater, do they? I don’t know. I think you have to it that when they come, you got to go underwater? I think maybe that might be it. I don’t know. I haven’t read the material, but it’s very popular. amount of time underwater, though. So yeah, there’s like endless opportunities.
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Zombie, epoxy, certification. What do you get like a badge? get a card, you get a certification card. Yeah. So those are the people we’re going to want to find. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Any sailors with underwater specialties that want to create their own coursework? Actually, that would be a great one. So I have a new book series coming out called Getting Your Ship Together. Oh, cool. First one is Speaker Ship around public speaking. Then it’s going to be Entrepreneurship.
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and then leadership and a whole bunch of ships. So I’ve got the books, I’m planning on doing workshops on ships. But I’ve never thought until this time of doing like, get your ship together and learn underwater. Yeah. Could I create a specialty program? Yeah. And then we go out on a ship and we go underwater and then they a certification. 100%. I got my ship together. Yes. I recovered my shipwreck. Yes. There’s treasure in the shipwreck. Yes.
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Okay, so for creatives and educators who want to have something unique and different. Okay. But you need to be an instructor or have an instructor that you know that can teach it. this is where you get me. So the water of the zombie apocalypse, you got them for a bunch of certifications before that. The instructor. Okay, I’m in. I want to be a rescue diver anyways. Why not be a rescue Just go all the way. Go all the way. With customization and shipwreck for your personal brand or like your life. Yeah.
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Because what better to bring you out of the slumps than put you underwater? Yeah. All right. I agree. Well, the ocean is my potion. I feel like I now have a new and I’m an OG Patty. Like my family had to wait for me to turn 13. Oh, that’s awesome. To do it. That is awesome. And I got certified in Catalina with Harrison Hall. OK. At the Isthmus old school style. Oh, yeah. Very cool. This is all good backstory for my new. What would we call it? Like so let’s assume that I
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Do I have to do my advanced before my instructor? Oh yeah. Okay. So it literally goes- How many courses do I need to do? me. Okay. So you are an open water diver? Yes. Okay. So then you need to do advanced. And I still have my 13 year old picture on my card if that’s That’s awesome. Okay. It’s vintage. Okay. Then advanced, then rescue, and then the dive master is the first level of the professional certifications. Okay. And then instructor. Once I become an instructor, I’ll be able to come up with my own specialty course. Yeah. Okay. How much time and how much am I in on this training?
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to get to that point. To to be able to create my business’s shipwreck course. I’m not gonna lie. It’s a you might. Take a guess how many years and how many thousand dollars. How many years? Okay advanced is five dives. Rescues two days. Dive master could be done in a week. So it’s not that much time. mean it’s an investment I’m not gonna lie. Okay. But if you wanted to hustle and get her done you could. This just this just puts a whole new arc on my getting your ship together series.
26:05
And I’m working with my trademark attorney. So I’m going to add underwater diving certification to my trademark. Yeah, you can. Hot damn. OK. Better than glasses. Well, maybe not better than the pen. But what is in this little that that little thing? Yeah, this is a chapstick. Can I trade my chapstick for that? I love all the bargaining. OK, good. And it looks like it’s in a recyclable spot. OK. Adria. Adara. Damn it.
26:36
Well, this was a beautiful conversation and I literally now have a new lust for the training that I need to get and I’m going to commit. I’m going to make it through Patty. I’m not going to go well I’m going to get your number, your email and you can keep me posted. And then will you help me promote your Business is Shipwreck course? Yes. Because there’s got to be enough business owners that would love to do a workshop to get their ship shape underwater if they feel like their life or business is a shipwreck.
27:05
And we can even have the relationship one once I have that book done. Very cool. And then it’s like, go get a scuba certification for relationship training underwater. I mean, if you can get along on limited air in multiple atmospheric pressure with dangerous and beauty things around, you can totally hang out on the land and be fine. Yep. OK.
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It shall be so. I’m putting out in the world. shall be so. I love that. I have to put a time frame on it though because otherwise it won’t happen. What’s reasonable? Well, it’s reasonable to put things into smaller bits and bytes. So honestly, what I’m going to do is I’m going to probably ask ChatGPT to create a time frame for me. Let me see if I can do this right now. This would be an experiment if the Wi-Fi and reception is good. So I’m going open up the ChatGPT app. I’m going to do the audio. I’m going say
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Hello, I’ve decided that I am going to get certified through Patty with my advanced diver license and then rescue my rescue and then my dive master and then a dive instructor so that I can create a specialty course underwater. My question is what’s a reasonable time frame and break down into small goals so that I can make a commitment to Adara, my friend here at the scuba show.
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I love this. You could realistically do it in about a year to a year and a half depending on your schedule. And do you have an idea of how much that would cost? The cost can vary, but ballpark, advanced open water might be around $300, $500. Rescue diver, $400, $600. And dive master can range from $800 to $1,500. Plus gear and materials. It adds up, so budgeting ahead is a good idea. OK, well, I’ve already got the gear.
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And maybe I’ll talk with Patty to see if they’ll do some sort of promotional discount if we turn this into like a media blitz to follow the story because I didn’t know that you could get specialty underwater courses. And that could be enough motivation to get things in the bag. Thank you Chad GBT. You’re welcome.
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Okay, thank you for, I know it’s loud in here, thank you for participating. And do you have anything you’d like to say to our Good Jibes listeners here as we exit the PADI booth? What do you think about PADI, the Professional Association for Diving Instructors? It’s an awesome organization for divers. They’re all about safety, education, and the love of the…
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Oh, I get that. Should ask her in the first place. know. Well, hey, thank you. We have a plan now. And I think within, I think three years is a good goal. Absolutely. So we’re going to exchange contact and I’ll keep you updated in my six month progress. Great. And you can hold me accountable. OK, cool. All right. It’s going to be beautiful. This is going to be good.
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All right, I’m cruising by and I saw a friend of mine. His name is Seamus and I’m actually proud to be his sponsor, one of the newest upcoming members of Blue Water Cruising Club. Seamus, you are legend in this space because there’s been a couple booths that something’s come up where your name has come up, they’re like…
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Everybody knows him. was talking at the booth where I just bought these new Poseidon one shoe boots and I was talking with one of the guys in a cowboy hat. He said he was just diving in Catalina and he said he didn’t see a great white shark and I was like, oh my God, I know somebody who just saw what you want to see a video and they’re like, Seamus? Yeah, everybody knows Seamus. So Seamus, everybody knows you, but our Latitude 38 nation might not. So say hi and…
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What’s going on here? Why does everybody know you? Oh, well, thanks, Ryan. Unfortunately, they know me just because I’m getting older. It’s like 40 years in the I worked in the diving industry 40 years. Okay. I started offering retail and then 30 plus years ago got in the wholesale end of the business. And now I have a rep in wholesale and wholesale selling. I was was selling there.
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Yeah, very clever, very clever. Wait, wait, wait. There’s actually a drum roll on here. Ready? Ah, lovely. Yeah, just trying that out. So the wholesale end of the business in 1993. That was after a year in the Caribbean, Turks and Caicos Islands. So yeah, it’s a small industry and anybody who’s been in it a certain amount of years. And then I…
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Also work with the distribution. We own the US distribution for poultry air compressors that we can talk about in a little bit here and then big blue dive lights which are underwater flashlights. Mainly for photography and that sort You know what I saw a flashlight attached to a fin for a paddleboard. Have you seen that yet? No, I can’t say I have. It’s a fin for your paddleboard with a light on it.
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and it illuminates all around you. So if you’re diving at night, it’s like a beacon. If you’re in the harbor paddling around, it’s a beacon. And then you have another attachment that you can like put a GoPro to it so you can film underwater as you’re diving in and around the paddleboard. It’s kind of interesting. I could probably…
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I could probably set that up pretty easily. It looks like they’ve got it, maybe the IP on it. So it might be a little late. But there were not enough sales on the paddleboards over there. So they’re working on some new inventions. here, talk to us about what you’re representing today. The main company I work with as far as the rep in agency is Hewish Outdoors. Hewish Outdoors is a parent company that own atomic aquatics, manufacturer of high end dive gear, regulators, BCs, etc.
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Bear Sports, which is manufacturer of neoprene wetsuits and also dry suits for scuba diving. And dry suits for extreme cold water, that’s what you’re looking at here. Hollis is more of a tech line, recreational tech as well as heavy duty tech if you’re not into diving. That’s extreme deep long diving, not necessarily deep but long exposure, et cetera.
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Oceanic have a number of all been around a long time. make head to toe equipment and store sack, dive luggage, Seagull been around forever making mainly they’re known for their buoyancy compensators. Oceanic you’re asking earlier about the housings. Yeah, you got some cool stuff here. I did see this housing for is this for an iPhone housing? that it? Yeah, that is strictly we.
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We manufactured or we created an app called Oceanic Plus app that works with the Apple Watch Ultra. And then we spun off on that, developed a housing that is specifically for taking photographs underwater with your iPhone. You have to have an iPhone 10 or newer for it to be compatible, but it is…
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compatible with iPhone 16 even. So now I did hear that iPhones are waterproof up to 30 meters for up to 30 minutes. And I have a buddy who actually like regularly just drags it under and films, which I’m a little hesitant. went sailing the other day with mine. It got soaked and it was like a little the lenses were a little foggy for a couple of days. So I know if I fully trust it, but this is fully in case like it looks like now it’s a professional camera.
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Yeah, these things I don’t know if that I think maybe they’re water resistant 30 feet 30 feet. Okay, the I did I say 30 meters? You said 30 meters. Wait. Yeah, I don’t have a bleep button here, but how about just do this? But I’m like as a joke. Okay. All right. What something like this? What’s your back? What is the promo price on these for 325 normally for 75?
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There are, we got a promotion going on with these, reducing the price down to, I should get the, what is the promotional price? 349, all right, that’s the kind of scuba show special that’s just like a fourth of an iPhone, so. But it does more than just house your iPhone. It also, if you have the software, the Oceanic Plus software,
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you can actually have your dive computer on your iPhone as you’re going down. So it’s going to tell you your depth, your no decompression time, et cetera. It’s going to do it all for you. And then it has some editing software to edit your photograph after the dive. So this is actually what I use. You mentioned before we got started, when I had the white sharks swim by me.
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That was I was using the ocean. now can you tell us about that moment? Because this is this was crazy. You sent me the text messages of the videos, but it was lobster opening weekend, is that correct? Yeah, opening weekend. And you guys were on your own charter boat. And where were you diving by? Wine gardens, you said? We were diving frontside to Catalina, kind of close to Avalon, just west of Avalon at a couple of spots I know.
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And yeah, I was going down and next thing you know, over my shoulder, it stunned me for a minute. I was filming. was filming this. Did you say it stunned you like it touched you? No, just mentally. It just kind of, it shocked me and but it was moving very gracefully. How big was it? I it. I would say at least 15 feet, possibly 20. was fat. It was a big shock. Have you shared those videos online?
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Yeah, it actually went on the news. really? Yeah, somebody… Because it came over your shoulder and it’s this huge, huge, huge. Yeah, and it came over my shoulder. And then in the background you see another diver that looks like just a little blip on the radar. Yeah. And the guy’s eyes, one of the videos when he came up and you touched him and you got it on his face, his eyeballs were so… He’s like, oh my god. Yeah, that was actually a deck hand on the boat.
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for that particular trip. Did he cruise through just once or he came back again? No, he stuck around us three times. Wow. And very calmly. He looked super chill. No aggression displayed. mean, but if he wanted to beat me, yeah, he came from behind me. I was focused on the viewfinder of the camera, so I didn’t even, you know.
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I didn’t even pay attention. finish that story, you also ended up with a bunch of huge bugs, one that you let back. was like 10 pounds or something. Oh, that was actually from a different diet. The 10 pounder, I believe that was the day before at Santa Barbara Island. I was showing you those photos. We did get a limit, lobster on that diet. We didn’t let the white shark spoil our lobster diet. And well, it actually made our diet. But yeah.
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We are literally legendary. People are still talking about it in other booths. So we had a great dive there. And but yeah, typically if the lobster is much over five pounds, I usually throw them back, especially females and males. I’m going to put them back maybe seven pounds. Definitely. We throw them back. Yeah. They’re hundreds of years old. Get a photo. Yeah. And then release them in the MLPA. So hopefully nobody else gets them.
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Correct. No, that’s good. A relocation. Put them in the same spot. Yeah. Well, awesome. Well, we know now. So you were using one of those things to capture it? I was using one of the Oceanic Plus housings and it’s phenomenal. I mean, it’s really revolutionized photography with your phone going underwater. Yeah. I mean, there’s lots of cheap housings, but the editing software, being able to actually have your dive computer on your phone. Yeah. You know, I wouldn’t…
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I would still have a primary computer if you drop your phone, you don’t want to lose your computer, but it’s a good redundant system. And you’re looking at the viewfinder, as I noticed when a 15, 20 foot white shark swims over you. I’m looking at the viewfinder and I didn’t notice it right away until it was right next to me. And so you don’t look at your gauges, but I could see what depth I was at.
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you know, when it happened because my computer’s on the screen. Yes. Well, for those of you listening, you want to see the videos, we’ll figure out. can. mean, people might be able to search for them. I don’t know. Do you do you have permission of sharing them? If we were able to share them on the to our good drives? Is there do you have an account that you posted them on that we can push them to? No, I’m not huge on social media. I do have a Facebook page, but I don’t do much with it. I yes, I have them.
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They’re my footages. I can share them with anybody I want. You’re welcome to use them. I have permission to use them. do. Oh my gosh. Feel free. That’d be great. We can do it with maybe a little clip of this or the audio describing it. Yeah. Well, I’m talking to sailors. You’re also a sailor. We were hanging out in Big Geiger Cove last week and it was an amazing weekend. Tell us about your boat and how ship shaped she is and what your summer plans look like. All right. Well, I’ve
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got a Hunter 460 sailboat, 46 foot Hunter. you snuggled in the Big Geiger Cove. You were right in there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, I was fortunate enough to get there on Thursday afternoon. Before Memorial Day. Yeah, before Memorial Day. So getting there a day before most of the boat showed up, I was able to get in there fairly tight. Yeah. it was a great weekend. I mean, it’s a great bunch of people.
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You know, it’s nice to be around cruisers. Yes. Not just sailors, but boaters. I have a few friends of mine who race avidly, trans-packed. They can’t anchor a boat. Right. I went on a bare boat charter with one of them. And, oh, he can sail a boat to Hawaii single-handed, you name it, but he can’t anchor. And while this crew…
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And not only good sailors, but they’re good boaters and they know how to anchor and a good group of people. Yeah, well, we’re excited to have you as our up and coming newest member. I appreciate not only the shark stories, I get to see what it was filmed on. We might share this footage with the Good Jibes Nation so we can see it. And then also, I’m halfway through your freediving course, which I think would make a fun podcast episode once we finish it. And I do the
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the sea trial part of it outside of the pool and stuff like that. But you were a man of many oceanic adventures. Yeah, I maintained. I’ve been a long time. My main passion within diving has obviously been my career, but it started off as a hobby, but it’s maintained that hobby. And I do a lot of free diving, spearfishing and…
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hunting, gathering, lobster diving as you do also. White shark hunting. Well, you did shoot the shark with your phone. With Oceanic Plus. With my phone. It’s basically a phone spear gun. But yeah, I enjoy freediving and now I maintain my instructor ratings with a couple of agencies over the years, although I don’t teach very much.
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But more recent years I enjoy teaching free diving, more to enhance the safety of the sport. Yeah, and I was excited to take it and I learned a lot through breath and my static hold at four minutes and 30 seconds, I would have probably not believed you if we talked before the class, if I could do that. And as I was diving in Catalina this last week and trying some of the practices on the breathing practice, good, but still definitely realizing how novice I am at it. And I just bought the book, Breatheology too.
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on your suggestion. okay.
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You want to? Yeah, we can walk over and talk about compressors. I mean, we make compressors, 3.5 CFM personal compressors up to fire station compressors for filling. I need something that’s going to fit on on bingo. That’s definitely the smaller size. It’s going to be one of these small ones.
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You know, fill an aluminum 80 in about 20 minutes. Wow, OK. That’s faster than the dive shop. Yeah, probably so. you don’t have to drive when you got to go down to the Isthmus. Yeah. Yeah, and a lot less offensive over time. there is some maintenance involved, of course, in, Basically, looks like a chainsaw. But instead of a chainsaw, it’s just got a big fan on the front. Yeah. I mean, it…
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It is, the one you’re looking up here is basically a Honda generator running a small 3.5 CFN compressor. We made this also an electric version. Although you do need a pretty sizable generator, I would say 10, 11 KW to handle that. You’re not going to run it with a small little generator.
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It won’t handle the surge of it. So you need a decent sized generator, but it’s a great way to go. And then you don’t have the exhaust to deal with and it’s a bit quieter than the you’re using gas with the fumes and suck them right back into the tank. That’s like riding a bike on the street. Yeah, yeah. Well, we have a snorkel for these so you suck in the air, In a different area? From a different area.
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Yeah, it really I mean on my boat. I don’t have the generator to support this. So as you see, I’ve got a small portable generator. So I do bring the gas unit if I’m going to be filling tanks at the island. Yeah, I resell a lot of these what we call tree icons. We sell a lot to sailors cruises. I mean, people cruising the world and exactly no accessibility to die shop. And what is that? What is something for us?
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What’s the smallest unit for a practical sailboat that, what does that put you back? Well, we’re running a promotion at the Scuba Show here and it’s about $3,500. You can get it a little less than that with a powder coated unit. Although usually on the sailboat you want the stainless steel unit, which is going to be around $3,500. Hey, you know what? It pays for itself and air. Easily. And experience. You can’t put a price on time underwater.
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And if you’re to cruise the world, you’re going to cruise a lot of beautiful oceans. it’s, you know, I would say if you’re a diver, it’s a must. You got to have one. Did you hear about that new buoyancy control system, the tank Aerotus or something? Avelo? Yes, Avelo. Oh, right. Yeah. Very cool setup. And not tried one, but you know that I like the design. All right. Well,
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I’m going to move on dot com to somewhere else, but if we want to find more about these, Coltree or gosh, there’s so many brands under that. Where does somebody even go? Well, Coltree air compresses. If you go to coltree.com, coltree.com, you’ll see my name there as a distributor for the West Coast and Hewish Outdoors, we are distributed through most.
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brick and mortar retailers and obviously online or so you’ll find us. So. All right. And my final question. What is the name of the great white shark in which you saw? If you if they didn’t tell you what what have you named it? Well, we actually had a reporter who was going to send the photos and find out if it had been tagged. OK, I have not heard back. And so I’m assuming it was not tagged. OK, so you get to name it. We get to name it. We’ll name us Sally.
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Sally. Yeah, she was kind of sweet. She’s just kind of sweet, fat Sally. Yeah. All right. Well, if you’re listening to this and you are intrigued about this encounter with the with Sally, definitely check the Latitude 38 Instagram because we’ll figure out how to get it up there. I really like it because it’s not threatening. It’s not scary. It’s kind of like super amazing. And I think so many of you are scared of sharks. It has that initial fear because you’re like, holy shit, this is a huge shark. But Sally’s just like.
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Just swagging her tail, bait, just cruising like she was just so docile. Yeah. Yeah. I never felt threatened at any time. And that’s not to say I’m going to jump in the water, you know, with a white shark who’s just bitten a sea lion in half. Oh, Seamus is legend. Yeah, well, over here, what do you think about Seamus? What do you think about him? Good guy, right? He’s all around, great guy. I’ve known him for a while. All right. Well, did you hear about his great white encounter with Sally?
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Oh, you’re going to have to find that out. All right. Well, good to see you. All right, she was told to get back to the show. Good time. All right. See you buddy. Latitude 38 here. Are you thinking of sailing to Mexico or all the way across the Pacific or maybe even further? We just heard from Joanna and Cliff saying my husband and I subscribe to Latitude 38 and enjoy the Good Jives podcast regularly.
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They went on to say they’re headed to Mexico in the fall and will continue across the Pacific to Australia. However, they’re looking to simplify all the choices they need to make to prepare. Of course, there’s tons of resources out there, but LATTA 238 does have a page in our website called Heading South. And we also have LATTA 238’s First Timers Guide to Mexico available to read online on the Heading South page or a printed copy that is available to purchase in our online store. There’s a lot to know.
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But Latitude38.com is a good place to start.
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So I’m cruising along and I see all of these images and they’re not, you know, like all of the other booths with everything that is reprographics and printed. And so I cruised over, I gave, is it Stefan? Steven. Steven. Steven, introduce yourself and tell me what we’re looking at here, because it’s pretty cool. Okay. Yeah, my name is Steven Holman. I’m a painter and a diver. I’ve been diving for about 25 years. I’m a local guy, California water. I do a lot of beach diving.
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And but I’m an artist as well. I’ve done a lot of animation series and things like that. So I decided about five years ago to just combine the diving and the artistry and do underwater paintings. so you don’t do the painting under water, though. It’s that would be cool underwater paintings in that way. Have you ever done an actual underwater painting? I haven’t. But because it would be I buy it. But I do. oil. I’ll maybe I’ll try oil. How funny would that be, though? Set up.
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Get yourself with like, get the, just bring a canvas in there, smear it around. It’s going to be messy. But it’s a story behind it. No, that’s true. Okay. It’s true. And as soon as you say underwater paintings, yeah, I know. I guess I ought to try one. I I’m looking at some interesting stuff. I just want people to know these are paintings of underwater situations painted outside. Actually, see this one over here is kind of wyland where you’ve got the underwater. So it’s somebody at the Marine Reserve outside of Avalon because I see the casino. That’s right. Yeah. But imagine if you painted the above water.
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afterwards and you go and you paint so it’s all kind of sloppy murky underneath and then crystal on top that’s right anyways I don’t mean to be trying to trying to tell you different art I’m excited by it’s giving me ideas thank you so much no it’s so you the plunge you said I’m just gonna do this yeah full-time thing yeah yes full-time thing yeah yeah well yeah
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No, I take a camera underwater and kind of use it like a sketchbook. Actually, that’s what I do do underwater. And then I use those photos as my sketches when I come up and actually paint in the studio. Yeah. And do you travel around showcasing this? How do you get yourself out there? It’s actually social media website. have stevenholmanart.com is my website. What’s your Instagram? Steven Holman Art.
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So S-T-E-P-H-E-N-H-O-L-M-A-N A-R-T, yeah. A-R-T, got it. the end, yeah. A lot of octopi? Yep. Yep, they’re my big sellers. People like of scopin’, I see some lobster. That’s I the sunfish. I love seeing those crossin’. Yep. Yep. And you’re local here? I am. Local guy. So I’m exploring kind of where sailing meets, you know, scuba and free dive and all this stuff. Right. Any words to sailors out there and why they…
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need some underwater art or? It’s one big ocean whether you’re under it or over it or it’s all the same thing you know. I go under but I’d like to go over too. I’d love to get into sailing. I mean you can get to places that you know diving wise I’m trapped into wherever the boats take me on the charters or the know me going off beaches having boats at your disposal means you can go anywhere which is fantastic. Well if you’re ever interested in sailing
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not even necessarily sailing, diving. Latitude 38 has what’s called a crew list. Have you ever been out sailing before? Not really, no, no. So you can join a crew list and there are people who look for people to join their crew. Really? Sometimes you don’t need experience. Sometimes you’re just ballast and wait and it’s good to have more people on the boat. But that could be something to check out. Maybe could inspire some more art from above, from below. sounds good. What do you think of this building, by the way? I was trying to describe it when I came in. People have never seen it. It’s basically a huge
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uh… in pain in the street similar with this is that i don’t know i was i’ve been the shadow of whyland here it’s and i was hanging out outside the surround by well it is i don’t i have a part of uh… some kind of legacy i think you know yeah arty uh… i know that there are some sailors out there who are artists
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Any words of wisdom to those who are chasing after what they love to do and trying to do art at the same time? think it’s not a logical thing to do, it’s like, don’t think you’re going to make a lot of money from it. And if you do, you’re lucky. To do it for the love, that’s what this is all about. And I think what it does also is communicate.
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to people who love the art and then they find out about the ocean. You know, it’s a sort of a way into finding out about sea creatures and the ocean and so forth. So for people who are just walking by enjoying the art, it gets them into a sort of an awareness of all the issues with the ocean and all of that. So I think it’s a, you know, it’s a communication tool as well. love it. Now, what I don’t see are any sailboats in your art. No, I got to work on that. I’m just saying. you know, it’s true. It’s a different one thing I love about
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Just to your comment, like seeing this kelp forest and this sculpin and those two divers.
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And the seal behind, I don’t know if they see the seal. He’s lurking in the background. Probably not. it’s friendly seal. Yeah. But it does. It’s like something you can take with you that you see most of time. Yeah. I talked to somebody who was not a sailor and a diver and he was complaining about how he still doesn’t even have enough time to dive. Yeah. Because he’s got to work. Yeah. And so the idea of having something that’s visual reminding. That’s right. And I think sailors will resonate with this. you know, your Catalina photo, you definitely…
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in the background.
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in Descanso Beach there, there would be a bunch of little boats there. that is true. Now I need to change my attitude to that. Yeah, no, I’m not telling you to change your attitude. I’m just saying like, I’m here sharing from a sailor’s perspective. Yeah. And I love this. Yeah. But it would be interesting to combine, to just combine. It might be a new market for you. And your comments on connecting people, bringing them from the outside to underwater. Yeah. Just a thought. No, it’s very true. It’s a great thank you for letting And we’re longies. There’s all kinds.
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folks and stuff you know got a big Stanley community here yep well cool well I will I’m excited to meet you I’m just gonna cruise and just look at this art for a second and best of luck to you thank you and I love that you’re doing what you love to do thanks all right appreciate it thanks buddy
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I have found booth 448. I have been sent here by Patty. I was talking about what’s a cool technology. He said go check them out. So I’m here and we’ve got what looks like a looks like a BCD but it’s it’s a man CD because there’s a lot of the there’s the B missing. Why don’t you introduce yourself Chelsea. Tell us who you are and then talk to us about this new technology. Cool. Yeah. My name is Chelsea. I’m a Avelo instructor trainer located in Catalina Dive Supply on Catalina Island. OK. And we are an Avelo Dive Center.
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the largest one on the west coast. What is Avello Dive? So Avello is a brand new system for scuba diving. Okay, when you say system is it just the BCD or the tank as well? Yeah, the whole system itself is specialized. Okay. So this is a specialized tank, it’s called a hydro tank. Looks like a normal tank. Looks like a normal tank. And remember nobody can see this so. Yes, okay, so I’ll give you the visual here. This tank looks like a normal tank, however on the inside of this tank is actually a flexible bladder. So the flexible bladder inside is what holds your air and then the tank
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is around the outside and what Avelo is, it’s considered the tank as the buoyancy control device, we’re actually using water for weight. So we’re adding water or subtracting water to become neutral. At different levels and so when it becomes, when you dive, so you grab water at a certain level, it’s neutral and then you’re bringing it down and that’s what creates Yeah, because water’s not heavy, water’s not more heavy than water, right? So actually what creates the negative… I Confucius said that. Yeah, probably more elegantly.
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So actually what creates your negative buoyancy or the weight is the compression of that air space. So you’re actually making the air space more dense, which creates negative buoyancy. So the way that this works is you get into the water slightly positive because you want to be floating. Well, obviously, because you’re diving, you’re positive. You’re like, yeah, let’s go. Yeah. Well, especially in California, we’re in a seven mil West. Seven mil. Yeah, seven mil. I go three, four everywhere. Although I did a freediving class recently and I was trying out a five, five. Yeah.
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But still, I feel like I was kind of cooking in it. Well, have you dove Catalina? I have. We don’t really cook. No, I hear you. So I grew up every summer in Catalina. Oh, Big Geiger Cove in Blue Water Prison Club. So my parents are educators. We’ve been going there my whole life. My parents before me. And so I’ve got a 1977 Cal 34. Her name is Bingo. yeah, basically I’m on Anchorage most summer over there. And I’m very familiar with it. But usually Catalina is still dive a three mil. Yeah, actually…
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Oh, no wetsuit a lot of the time. you’re tougher than me. But during lobster season, my buddy, they get the big numbers and I just keep with the three four. Yeah, good for you. You know why? Because I only need one wetsuit. Actually, you guys need to come up with a wetsuit that redefines buoyancy and maybe do your little bladder air device within the membrane so that I can have the combination of a dry suit to not suit to five five to three four. All in one.
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All in one. And then if you can design it into like, I don’t know what you call them, but the skinny Spanx, the whole bodysuit. Because you’ve taken the BCD and you’ve reduced it quite a bit. Yes, quite a bit. So next we’ll work on the wetsuits. OK, yeah. OK, we thus we digress. So for somebody who is new to diving, this is new. For somebody who’s old to diving, this is new. Talk to my sailors out there like, is this it’s actually less space. Yes. I know BCDs can be super clunky.
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Yeah, it’s the same size although. It’s a little taller. Yeah, so it is a little bit taller, but you’ll notice there’s two different sizes So we’ve got the 10 liter take in the 8 liter tank are they steel or aluminum these are co PVs so it’s actually a Lift it up. Okay. That’s pretty light so actually the the invention was based off of making scuba lighter That’s what he wanted to do okay, so in my 7 mil suit which again different for you. That’s fine. No judgment
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I’m diving. How do you move in a seven mil suit? I’m diving with 20 to 25 pounds less weight than I am on standard scoot. So that’s the first benefit. The second benefit is because you don’t have a bladder, you don’t have a conventional BCD or an air bladder on your back, that is what changes your buoyancy with depth, right? So when you get rid of that bladder, what you became is neutrally buoyant everywhere.
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Everywhere, not outside the water though. outside the water, that’s true. Neutrally buoyant everywhere in the water regardless of depth. So picture this, it’s actually a skill that we do in the certification class. We’re going to do a 30 foot depth change. Yeah, well three feet short of one atmospheric pressure. but 30 feet depth change the whole time. Not with this, you don’t change anything. The only thing that you do is breathe. Nothing changes. So is it computerized then? It figures it all by itself? Is it pressure driven? It’s manual. Oh it is?
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So the way that it works… so you’re actually like, like you’re pumping in water into compartments like to create more ballast, but you’re doing that. Exactly. Now, if you’re properly weighted, you’re doing this two or three times a dive versus what would do with the BC? 30? Yeah. Right. Do you have a phantom one for those of us who just want to keep clicking something?
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Yeah, that’s the hardest thing about breaking. an accessory model? Right, yeah. We’ll give you a fake button. You can just hit that. Okay, what does something like this run then? You have to buy obviously the system together. No different regulator or anything, correct? Same regulator. It’s just a DIN tank. So if you have a Yoke regulator, you just do the conversion over. But the specialized tank and the jet pack is four grand together. Jet packs. So are these jet packs too?
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To move along? That is the assumption. Yes. No, Jetpack is just the name. Oh, shit, I thought you were like… I Because there’s all the scooter technology. They look like little jetpacks. It would make sense to put a scooter on the bottom. Just put a secondary tube that’s the scooter scoot on it and then… The bottom of it kind of looks like a torpedo of the tank. It almost looks like you can put a little propeller in there. And it’s already got a battery, so I feel like half the battle’s done. OK, so you have to charge this thing too now? Yeah, you’ve got a battery that charges. OK.
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Is it like with another dongle that you have to have? It’s the battery charging dongle. The official dongle. I’m so upset with dongle in general. It’s just like… It’s a little bit hardier than some of the ones we work with today. All right. So what does a system set you back like this? And is it comparable time underwater? Because it’s more time underwater. Yeah. So what happens when you’re neutrally buoyant is you’re not wasting air on the VCD. OK. And then what happens because you’re neutrally buoyant is you’re more comfortable. So you’re not just breathing normal.
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And that’s actually my favorite part of Avello is there is a way to analyze your dive. Because this is a system that uses water, we can measure how much water we put in. And if we compare that with the way that we breathe, we can maximize every minute of our dive. Interesting. And what is the cost of something like this? $4,000 for everything. But we also rent the gear.
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And that’s actually the special that we’re running for the Scuba Show is the class that you purchase and we’re offering 10 free rentals. So that’s over a thousand dollars in savings right there. It also means you can come to Catalina and not carry all your gear. Right. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. It kind of makes a lot of sense. All right. Well, thank you for sharing this. Definitely cool. I’m curious to check it out. It does feel like a few moving parts, but a lot less parts.
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It’s how you think diving will be when you go to get certified. And they don’t tell you that you have to be making all these adjustments the whole time you’re diving. You don’t figure that out until later. You just want to go see the fish. Yeah. It almost looks like sort of the iconic classic, like, original BCDs that really…
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didn’t have much on them. Well that’s what people, know, when people say, well I don’t dive with a BCD anyway, right? That’s they used to do. But when they did that, they started out heavy and they ended light. Right. But they had this sweet spot in the middle of that dive. That’s what this is. It’s the sweet spot the whole dive. The sweet spot. All right. Well thanks for the breakdown, the low down, all that. And where do people find out about this? Catalina Diver Supply. Perfect. So give us a call. You can visit our website. You can go to diveatvelo.com and visit their website and see what locations around the
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that you can go as well. And I’m assuming this is compatible with sailors even though there’s no sail on it. It’s better for sailors because it’s I’ll save you some, well you guys don’t care much about gas mileage in ideal circumstances I’d imagine. No not so much. Now the funny thing I found out about some of these technology pieces it’s better to buy them in two.
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because you get one scooter and now you leave your partner behind. Is this the kind of thing where you need two? Is somebody going to be jealous or is it just like you’re good to buy one until the other Somebody will be jealous. Right? Somebody will be jealous. Do have a two for one special or anything like that? Or when you sell them, do you find that you sell them in pairs because as a couple? makes sense. Yeah. It does, right? Yeah. Dive with your buddies, Ivan. Nice. All right. Well, thanks so much. You’re very welcome. We’ll see you soon. OK.
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All right, we have been to the International Scuba Show and I find myself closing the show in a shark tank. Now, this is exactly what Sally looked like that you heard from Seamus. I bought some new Chuck shoes. The person videotaping right now is a person who I might buy my whale shark onesie from. I’ve seen some tech, I’ve seen some tools, I’ve seen all kinds of folks that love to get underwater and hopefully this podcast gives you a reflection.
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and some conversations with some of those folks. So you as a sailor can get more into diving. And if you’re a diver, maybe it’ll inspire you to get more into sailing. Don’t forget to follow Latitude38 on social media. If you want to connect with me, I’m Ryan. You can connect with me at [email protected]. Check out my website, Ryan.Online. If you ever want to spend some time underwater, I did talk with the paddy folks and made a three-year commitment.
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to get all the way through my licenses so I could create a customized course for you to get certified to get your ship together. another exciting episode. Hopefully you had fun with me. And we’ll see you on the next one. Till then, I’m gonna continue to swim with the sharks!